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- KVRian
- 913 posts since 9 Aug, 2018
Typical.
The more I’ve learned about the company (since buying a total of one product, sadly), the more I am determined never to buy their products again.
And yeah, I’ll just take the damn hit, when it comes to vintage synths, assuming I ever want one. No clones for me. Except things like the new Prophet 10, perhaps...
The more I’ve learned about the company (since buying a total of one product, sadly), the more I am determined never to buy their products again.
And yeah, I’ll just take the damn hit, when it comes to vintage synths, assuming I ever want one. No clones for me. Except things like the new Prophet 10, perhaps...
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- KVRAF
- 4283 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
^ I was gutted when found out they bought TC but luckily there are plenty of other pedals in the ... sea.
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- KVRAF
- 1786 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany
I've had more problems with Arturia products than Behringers...
- Banned
- Topic Starter
- 10732 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
TBH, fair play to them. The most important point for me is, once again, that the customer can decide whether or not he buys this or not. (i.e. talk is cheap)
I already wrote why I would prefer Arturia: Because I know that it's a solid controller which has a good keybed. Which has yet to be seen with the Behringer one. Although I'm pretty sure they did a good job there as well. Would be strange if the keys would be worse at almost the same price point.
I already wrote why I would prefer Arturia: Because I know that it's a solid controller which has a good keybed. Which has yet to be seen with the Behringer one. Although I'm pretty sure they did a good job there as well. Would be strange if the keys would be worse at almost the same price point.
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- KVRAF
- 10984 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
Or just a little fun with Eurorack... surprised they haven't done so yet.
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- KVRAF
- 11088 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Its a bit like one war criminal saying that its not a war crime as there are other war criminals doing bad things!AnX wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 pm Behringer reply
https://www.instagram.com/p/CH-R9m2LHXU ... m5ob5zpldn
https://community.musictribe.com/discus ... -the-facts
Even where there are IP protection laws that can be enforced (which is difficult and expensive), many countries don't recognise them anyway, not much you can do about it!
The point isn't really if its legal, it is if it will do Behringer more harm than good which I suspect it will and I am sad about that as I use and like a lot of their stuff (X32, DM12, Neuron, Model D and 960 Controller).
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- KVRAF
- 2258 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit SW US
Total low life thieves. Tried to sue Plugin Guru also.
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- KVRAF
- 10984 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
Hadn't heard of that. What for?CrystalWizard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:00 pm Total low life thieves. Tried to sue Plugin Guru also.
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I don't understand why all this terminology like "war criminals", or "thieves" has to be brought into this. They're both companies, competing on a difficult market. Behringer is a lot bigger than Arturia, thus are probably more "immune", when it comes to law suits, therefor Arturia will hardly try anything.
Again, in the end, the customer has the choice. Behringer or Arturia. Or, Arturia or Behringer. That's all that matters to me really. I don't believe in condemning companies for being competitive. Arturia did a lot of "competitive" stuff as well. Doesn't mean they're war criminals though. They're a company, trying to make money, which still makes world go around.
Again, in the end, the customer has the choice. Behringer or Arturia. Or, Arturia or Behringer. That's all that matters to me really. I don't believe in condemning companies for being competitive. Arturia did a lot of "competitive" stuff as well. Doesn't mean they're war criminals though. They're a company, trying to make money, which still makes world go around.
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- KVRist
- 144 posts since 23 May, 2020
Some very bad examples there on Behringer's IG. They're not exactly making the case for themselves, imho.
Behringer were very careful to not copy the distinguishable elements of Arturia's design language for midi controllers: using white, blue as an accent and grey hexagonal knobs. That would have been too obvious. The fact that ALL the connections on the back are in the exact same place to the mm, as is the position of the knobs and controls on the front, proves to me that thye do not care about intellectual property, and never did. Were this a 30 year old device, fine. But Behringer is ripping off a smaller company, who paid for the r&d of this device.
Behringer were very careful to not copy the distinguishable elements of Arturia's design language for midi controllers: using white, blue as an accent and grey hexagonal knobs. That would have been too obvious. The fact that ALL the connections on the back are in the exact same place to the mm, as is the position of the knobs and controls on the front, proves to me that thye do not care about intellectual property, and never did. Were this a 30 year old device, fine. But Behringer is ripping off a smaller company, who paid for the r&d of this device.
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- KVRAF
- 6409 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
I read the musictribe comment and just think that nobody signed in person was a downer - completely anonymous. Somebody responsible for R&D should put their name on it.AnX wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 pm Behringer reply
https://www.instagram.com/p/CH-R9m2LHXU ... m5ob5zpldn
https://community.musictribe.com/discus ... -the-facts
But otherwise I think what Behringer is doing is brilliant. I spent most of the day today with DM6 and this is not a ripoff of anything, innovative, well made in every aspect.
And likewise I love Neutron that also fills in some blank spots I had before.
Looking forward to Pro 800, and surely will get one of those.
And waiting for that I looked at Prophet 600 and found this I want to share - real nice Sequential stuff Pro One and a bunch of Prophet 600 in action and their Drumtraks as well, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7PsnvMgTGU
I don't share the hate for Behringer at all - but just thought Swing was a stupid thing to do.
- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota
...said no one ever.rasmusklump wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:17 am I've had more problems with Arturia products than Behringers...
- KVRAF
- 3167 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from People's Republic of Minnesota
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- KVRAF
- 10984 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
I would think it is at least somewhat disheartening (if not compromising) for the extensive talent-pool of engineers/employees Uli has gathered together under the various brands, to be 'innovative', rather than imitative.
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