Want to understand music

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
dcvman
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3 posts since 27 Sep, 2004

Post Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm

Hi All,

I am an amateur pianist since I am a teenager. I have learned first only by remembering each key, then tried to memorize chords...

Now, I am very ambitious but I allow me years for that project: I would like to understand the music, I keep asking myself these kinds of questions (examples)
Why this chord progression sounds good?
Why using a add9 or maj9 instead of a typical major chord or minor chord?
How can I assign chords myself for a song?

What kind of source would you recommend to me for my project (book,web?) I want to understand what I play, I am ready to study months or years πŸ€“

Moreover, do you know any sources (web, book) where someone analyse score sheet/songs of famous nice song?

Thanks in advance!

Thierry
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karlingen
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17 posts since 20 Nov, 2020

Post Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:17 am

Have you tried Udemy?

There are a lot of music theory courses there.
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acYm
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1160 posts since 11 Sep, 2015

Post Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:51 am

search youtube for the What Makes This Song Great series.
the same channel (Rick Beato) has lots of seminars on theory also.
the other channel I suggest looking for is Mangold Project.

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BertKoor
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12464 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Post Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:01 am

Find a teacher. Having dialogs in person works best. He can give you assignments based on your interests and level. No book or online course can substitute.
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dcvman
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3 posts since 27 Sep, 2004

Post Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:03 am

Thanks for your advices,
@karlingen:kaI do know Udemy but never thought about it regarding music theory, good call!
@acYm: thanks for sharing those relevant YouTube channels
@BertKoot: Fully agree, I tries but did not find the good teacher probably, could be a good option post-Covid.
Thierry

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EatMe
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198 posts since 9 Aug, 2013 from The Hague, The Netherlands

Post Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:38 pm

ChordLord for Renoise 3.

in v1.8.217 there are 217 chord types to all scales/keys, in any tonic/note, inversions, full notation display, full english names, all notes in all chords on display..

Click the chords in ChordLord to enter them into the Pattern Editor with Record mode On.
Preview (hear) the chords clicked with the Renoise OSC enabled.

https://forum.renoise.com/t/hurray-for-ChordLord/62253

and just try what sounds good.

basicly everything *can* sound good if you
create tension with unconsonance and release tension with consonance.

get it together!

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Jkist
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179 posts since 21 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:29 am

Secret weapon: https://www.thejazzpianosite.com/jazz-piano-lessons/

Even though it says Jazz piano, the site does an awesome job of explaining why certain chords and harmonies sound good together, where you can borrow chords from, how modes are derived, etc. Definitely worth checking out.

dcvman
KVRer
3 posts since 27 Sep, 2004

Post Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:04 am

Thank you so much all for your help
Thierry

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clipnotic
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609 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Post Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:57 pm

dcvman wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm
Hi All,

I am an amateur pianist since I am a teenager. I have learned first only by remembering each key, then tried to memorize chords...

Now, I am very ambitious but I allow me years for that project: I would like to understand the music, I keep asking myself these kinds of questions (examples)
Why this chord progression sounds good?
Why using a add9 or maj9 instead of a typical major chord or minor chord?
How can I assign chords myself for a song?

What kind of source would you recommend to me for my project (book,web?) I want to understand what I play, I am ready to study months or years πŸ€“

Moreover, do you know any sources (web, book) where someone analyse score sheet/songs of famous nice song?

Thanks in advance!

Thierry
This problem is typical if "musicians" are just learning an instrument by just playing stuff from other musicians again and again. 99% of such "musicians" are thinking, they are musicians, but they're not! It's like learning keyboard typing, you have a text and you only train your fingers. But with only that features you can't write an own book. So, if you really want to understand music, you have to learn music theory, harmony and so on!
I'm really a hard hater and detractor, but if I praise something, it's really good! :D

Held
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222 posts since 3 Jan, 2020

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:12 am

clipnotic wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:57 pm
This problem is typical if "musicians" are just learning an instrument by just playing stuff from other musicians again and again. 99% of such "musicians" are thinking, they are musicians, but they're not! It's like learning keyboard typing, you have a text and you only train your fingers. But with only that features you can't write an own book. So, if you really want to understand music, you have to learn music theory, harmony and so on!
Some people write great stories and poems without studying grammar. They just read a lot and then copy what others do and insert their own personality. You can do the same with music.

Knowing music theory doesn't make you a musician. Being able to talk about music doesn't mean you know how to create it.

But it helps to have a framework to understand other people's music and that's where music theory comes in.

Besides, the definition of music is: a composer, conductor, or performer of music . So yeah, someone who only performs other people's music is a musician.

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Hink
Rad Grandad
33425 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:10 am

clipnotic wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:57 pm
dcvman wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm
Hi All,

I am an amateur pianist since I am a teenager. I have learned first only by remembering each key, then tried to memorize chords...

Now, I am very ambitious but I allow me years for that project: I would like to understand the music, I keep asking myself these kinds of questions (examples)
Why this chord progression sounds good?
Why using a add9 or maj9 instead of a typical major chord or minor chord?
How can I assign chords myself for a song?

What kind of source would you recommend to me for my project (book,web?) I want to understand what I play, I am ready to study months or years πŸ€“

Moreover, do you know any sources (web, book) where someone analyse score sheet/songs of famous nice song?

Thanks in advance!

Thierry
This problem is typical if "musicians" are just learning an instrument by just playing stuff from other musicians again and again. 99% of such "musicians" are thinking, they are musicians, but they're not! It's like learning keyboard typing, you have a text and you only train your fingers. But with only that features you can't write an own book. So, if you really want to understand music, you have to learn music theory, harmony and so on!
so at what point does one become a musician? According to you only 1% is actually a musician...so exactly what are the rules defining who is a musician? And for that matter who gets to be the arbiter.

I started guitar lessons in 1971, the teacher started me out with the basic mel bay books and I was unimpressed. I went to Lafayette electronics and got this little pot that was also a pick up for an acoustic that slid onto the wood at the soundhole, with my dad we took his old ham radio amp and made me a guitar tube amp...started learning rolling stones songs, deep purple, chuck berry, J Geils...went to a music store turned my pos guitar into an acoustic bass...didn't like it so I bought my first electric (Alamo El Dorado)...then I started lessons again with a local guitar player...the first thing he did was teach me blues bars...my mother promptly stopped my lessons because he was teaching me useless stuff I would never use and she thought he was string me along(yes all over teaching me blues bars). The first teacher would have gotten to chords in a few months :?

I took trumpet starting in 5th grade (1970), I gave it up in 1974...I was terrible.

I continued to learn other's music, got into bands and surprise people wanted to see me play those songs.

So please tell me, when did I become a musician if I have at all :shrug:
"Here's to the New Year. May she be a damn sight better than the old one" Col Harry T Potter (M*A*S*H)

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vurt
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75480 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:29 am

it's about how many followers and views you get on pootube.

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Rad Grandad
33425 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:32 am

oh ok, would that be a musician or a poosician though? :shrug:
"Here's to the New Year. May she be a damn sight better than the old one" Col Harry T Potter (M*A*S*H)

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vurt
addled muppet weed
75480 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:35 am

these days, that line is blurred.

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Rad Grandad
33425 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:43 am

vurt wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:35 am
these days, that line is blurred.
ewwww...skidmarks?
"Here's to the New Year. May she be a damn sight better than the old one" Col Harry T Potter (M*A*S*H)

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