Vital - Released

[Trancit]

...These strange discussions are just for us nerds

My problem is, that I cannot understand this talking about bad filters in Vital...

To me they sound absolutely gorgeous and very very musical... there is a great variety too...

I´ve read many complaints about lacking self oscillation...really???
How many presets do you know from other synths which use self oscillation of the filter???

If I judge from Serum, Sylenth, SM2 and SM One, Rapid, Avenger,etc... I have to search for hours to find perhaps one mostly not a single preset using self oscillation of the filters...

So if we can agree that perhaps 1 sound of a thousand (if not even much less) uses self oscillation it cannot be such a big deal... more something like extreme niche region...

So where is the problem??? If you have one or two times in a year the need for a self oscillation filter it cannot be very hard to use a different synth for these rare exceptions...

[Igro]

So if we can agree that perhaps 1 sound of a thousand (if not even much less) uses self oscillation it cannot be such a big deal... more something like extreme niche region...

So where is the problem??? If you have one or two times in a year the need for a self oscillation filter it cannot be very hard to use a different synth for these rare exceptions...

That's correct.
Also with too beefy filters, fast modulation would be a mess.

[FrogsInPants]

I´ve read many complaints about lacking self oscillation...really???
How many presets do you know from other synths which use self oscillation of the filter???

Never mind how often it's needed. You just have to break the equilibrium and Vital's filters will self-oscillate. Feed the filter just about anything at a level of .005 for 1ms, or even less, and off it goes. So what's the problem, exactly?

FilterRiser.vital.zip

Edit: Or, feed it with a tiny DC offset. Here's 2 samples of a DC signal around .00005 to initiate self-oscillation and make your preset files smaller at the same time.

TinyDCOffset.wav.zip

[ecasasmusic2]

I also uploaded some presets in the other thread, incluiding one with self-oscillation, I also fed the filter with that minimum volume.

[muki]

Most of the wavetable synths of this calibre seem to have this(wav-fft-edit).I think this way of working is not given importance in Vital or maybe added later.

in the OSC wave-window there is a little pen icon in the lower right corner
clicking on it opens a wavetable/FFT/additive partials editor

[pdxindy]

...These strange discussions are just for us nerds

My problem is, that I cannot understand this talking about bad filters in Vital...

To me they sound absolutely gorgeous and very very musical... there is a great variety too...

I´ve read many complaints about lacking self oscillation...really???
How many presets do you know from other synths which use self oscillation of the filter???

If I judge from Serum, Sylenth, SM2 and SM One, Rapid, Avenger,etc... I have to search for hours to find perhaps one mostly not a single preset using self oscillation of the filters...

So if we can agree that perhaps 1 sound of a thousand (if not even much less) uses self oscillation it cannot be such a big deal... more something like extreme niche region...

So where is the problem??? If you have one or two times in a year the need for a self oscillation filter it cannot be very hard to use a different synth for these rare exceptions...

They self oscillate just fine. (I use self oscillation of the filters a whole lot more than that) The filters self oscillation pitch changes depending on the oversampling setting. I assume this is a bug.

The filters to me are good sounding but not particularly characterful. They are quite flexible.

[pdxindy]

Most of the wavetable synths of this calibre seem to have this(wav-fft-edit).I think this way of working is not given importance in Vital or maybe added later.

in the OSC wave-window there is a little pen icon in the lower right corner
clicking on it opens a wavetable/FFT/additive partials editor

The wave timeline and the mod layers are powerful and fast to create complex wavetables with minimal work

[ijiwaru]

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[k2006]

The wave timeline and the mod layers are powerful and fast to create complex wavetables with minimal work

true.

Hi muki, sorry i missed your reply

in the OSC wave-window there is a little pen icon in the lower right corner
clicking on it opens a wavetable/FFT/additive partials editor

i was asking about editing harmonics of imported wavetables in ".wav" format.i dont think that is possible.(not a problem)thanks .

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Could use little more filter :):)

[Shabdahbriah]

And todays TTWT winning entry is:

"Great track but the filters are not so good!!!"

[cron]

...These strange discussions are just for us nerds

My problem is, that I cannot understand this talking about bad filters in Vital...

To me they sound absolutely gorgeous and very very musical... there is a great variety too...

I´ve read many complaints about lacking self oscillation...really???
How many presets do you know from other synths which use self oscillation of the filter???

If I judge from Serum, Sylenth, SM2 and SM One, Rapid, Avenger,etc... I have to search for hours to find perhaps one mostly not a single preset using self oscillation of the filters...

So if we can agree that perhaps 1 sound of a thousand (if not even much less) uses self oscillation it cannot be such a big deal... more something like extreme niche region...

So where is the problem??? If you have one or two times in a year the need for a self oscillation filter it cannot be very hard to use a different synth for these rare exceptions...

I also think the filters are really nice. They self-oscillate just fine with negligible input (I do use this quite a lot, incidentally,) they accept stereo modulation which offers interesting spatial options, and tweaking the cutoff with high/maxed drive + resonance produces the noisy 'rip' across harmonics I always want to hear.

[tomx2188]

At some point I realized I am unable to judge how "good" the filters of a synth are. Since then I'm keeping various different subtractive VA synth plugins around, simply because they sound different

For me Vital seems to be an amazing tool to keep around anyway .. for many sounds the character of the filters won't matter a lot, there's just so much other stuff to shape the sounds!

[SamDi]

...These strange discussions are just for us nerds

My problem is, that I cannot understand this talking about bad filters in Vital...

To me they sound absolutely gorgeous and very very musical... there is a great variety too...

For me they don't. But that doesn't reduce the validity of your rating.

I´ve read many complaints about lacking self oscillation...really???
How many presets do you know from other synths which use self oscillation of the filter???

It's not the lack of self oscillating, it's the way how they self-oscillate. It's just a thin whistle to me.

If I judge from Serum, Sylenth, SM2 and SM One, Rapid, Avenger,etc... I have to search for hours to find perhaps one mostly not a single preset using self oscillation of the filters...

So if we can agree that perhaps 1 sound of a thousand (if not even much less) uses self oscillation it cannot be such a big deal... more something like extreme niche region...

So where is the problem??? If you have one or two times in a year the need for a self oscillation filter it cannot be very hard to use a different synth for these rare exceptions...

I am not shure, if I would agree - I do not talk about oscillation totally cranked up, but rather about some filter settings with some resonance. I would assume that many patches use this, although I do not know. Maybe a nice weekend evaluation in the coming winter

I personally use filters with some resonance very often. BTW - my sound aesthetics regarding filters is mostly in direction to Virus' filter. This is for me the reference, maybe not unreached anymore, but at least not yet surpassed. I am not this analog/warmth fetishist and thus also belong to some kind of minority. So if you follow another sound aesthetics and the Vital filters support this, I can understand. But it seems to be a majority opinion, that filters here are rather "average" for the most.

[pdxindy]

I personally use filters with some resonance very often. BTW - my sound aesthetics regarding filters is mostly in direction to Virus' filter. This is for me the reference, maybe not unreached anymore, but at least not yet surpassed. I am not this analog/warmth fetishist and thus also belong to some kind of minority. So if you follow another sound aesthetics and the Vital filters support this, I can understand. But it seems to be a majority opinion, that filters here are rather "average" for the most.

It's funny how subjective it is... I don't find the Virus filters to be particularly good and lots of digital filters today easily surpass them.