Vital - Released

[pdxindy]

PS I was hoping the spectral oscillator warping would 'drive' more of this conversation..

Using human anatomy as an analogy, filters are like the most obvious sexy part of a person that we generally obsess over first. Once we get that out of the way we dig deeper into things like their mind and what kind of food they like, so soon we'll talk about your oscilators. Don't you worry.

No no no... the filters are like clothes and the oscillators are what is underneath

Vital has really interesting osc's!! including the spectral warping!

[SamDi]

I feel like I should address the filters since it seems to be a point of debate.
There is one main criticism that I feel is valid and should comment on.

Resonance/Self-oscillation:
This is probably the biggest difference between Vital and some analog (and analog-modelled) filters. Many have noted that Vital's self-oscillation is pretty quiet compared to other synths. This is true and it's by design. If you don't like this, you can lower the level of the oscillator going into the filter and turn up the master volume to make it have louder resonance.

Why would I do this by design? This requires a little background in how filters work.

The cutoff in many analog filters is interestingly slightly modulated by the input level. This is most obvious with a ladder filter, try sending a really low freq sine wave (something like 2hz) into a self resonating ladder filter and you'll hear some vibrato in that resonance. Effectively the input level does cutoff FM, and the louder the signal the stronger the FM is. I think this really adds a lot to the character of ladder filters and other models. I really enjoy this self-oscillating driven sound and wanted more of it so I designed the filters in Vital to be more driven by default. A side effect of that design is that it lowered the resonance/signal ratio and I actually prefer that. If you don't, as I said above lower the osc input and raise the overall volume


I'm assuming that a lot of the complaints are because Vital's filters don't behave like some other synth and not that there aren't interesting sounds you can make with Vital's filters.
There are a lot of unique blending options (Ladder: Notch Spread is my favorite) and tools (like audio-rate key-tracked lfos) that I feel I've opened some new synthesis options just with the filters. I made a short video a while ago doing some Fitler FM with key-tracked LFOs. Might be a little harsh for some people out there but I think it creates some really interesting tones



PS I was hoping the spectral oscillator warping would 'drive' more of this conversation..

Thanks for this explanation. This makes more clear, why Vital is as it is.

Your video shows, that indeed interesting and new fresh sounds are possible with Vital doing filter FM. I did not yet investigate much in that topic, but I think it's worth to do it the next time.

[plexuss]

PS I was hoping the spectral oscillator warping would 'drive' more of this conversation..

Using human anatomy as an analogy, filters are like the most obvious sexy part of a person that we generally obsess over first. Once we get that out of the way we dig deeper into things like their mind and what kind of food they like, so soon we'll talk about your oscilators. Don't you worry.

No no no... the filters are like clothes and the oscillators are what is underneath

Vital has really interesting osc's!! including the spectral warping!

No matter how you look at it, we're going to get there.

[rezoneight]

Fortunately, people who are actually known in electronic music scene are loving Vital and that speaks for itself.

who?

Andrew Huang, Mr Bill, Dirtyphonics, Virtual Riot, Must Die, Pegboard Nerds and more

Andrew Huang - 2.11M subs on YouTube, has worked partnerships with Ableton, Arturia, NI and other companies
Mr Bill - Very well know youtuber, has collabed with big names such as Deadmau5
Dirtyphonics - One of the biggest DnB producers, Released under UKF, Monstercat and Disciple
Virtual Riot - Probably the biggest Dubstep producer right now, has multiple songs with more than 1 Million views on YouTube
Must Die - Famous Dubstep Producer, released under UKF, OWSLA
Pegboard Nerds - One of the oldest known names in Dubstep, released under UKF, Monstercat, has multiple hits with millions of views, worked with Knife Party, Pendulum, Skrillex, Exicision and more.
Additionally,
Kill the noise - Another big Dubstep producer, has worked with Skrillex, Knife Party and more. Has multiple hits with more than a million views.

And judging by your reaction, you probably don't know any of them, in which case, you probably will be better of not using vital as the most exciting sounds vital can make doesn't align with your music taste.

Dash Glitch like its too and hes only got 28k subs. That guy's channel is fantastic for psytrance stuff.

Speaking of Huang and Virtual Riot:

Their two segments in that video are great.

[sqigls]

"Dubstep"

[fisherKing]

yeah, but we don't f**k synths for one

speak for yourself....

[Paree]

"Dubstep"

“Ambient”

[sqigls]

"Dubstep"

“Ambient”

"Minimal Psychedelic Crunk"

[Igro]

Because Vital has so many envelopes, it would be cool to have two separate fx chains. I just wanted to use a third OSC for a longer sustained sound to accomplish some delayed plucks, but because everything went through the delay, it was not possible. Sure I can have a "combined synths" feature in Studio One, but it would be more convenient to have it in Vital.

A volume knob on an Envelope panel would be a good addition, because if I assign an envelope to the OSC volume, then I cannot lower the oscillator volume anymore if needed (it is possible in the LFO module though if I use is as a envelope)

The Osc's have a direct out option... it bypasses the FX

I know, but I wish to add a chorus or reverb to it, for instance, to make a "multitimber" like.

[Inversion Of Control]

How many *.vitaltable files should I have in Pro version? It says '150 wavetables' I have only 92 files, am i missing something?

[fisherKing]

How many *.vitaltable files should I have in Pro version? It says '150 wavetables' I have only 92 files, am i missing something?

have you looked thru all the preset designer folders? i have something like 163 wavetables...

[Inversion Of Control]

How many *.vitaltable files should I have in Pro version? It says '150 wavetables' I have only 92 files, am i missing something?

have you looked thru all the preset designer folders? i have something like 163 wavetables...

Yeah, it occured that some wavetables are saved as vitaltable and some as normal *.wav files

[Igro]

I was messing with the Vital's resonance a bit and I did notice that when I tried to achive something like in the audio bellow (made in another synth with a digital filter), Vital did show a slight weakness. I couldn't reproduce exactly that sound in Vital . But then, I guess, Vital was not made for mimicking every aspect of the analouge-like filters.

https://voca.ro/1idrI7dUjraC
(you can play the file in there)

But then, it's still might be possible, but I'm not properly familiar with its filters workflow yet.

[Teksonik]

How much resonance does one need ?

Vital Filter 1

Not trying to emulate the sound above but I don't think the resonance is weak. I just jacked the resonance all the up in the Analog 12 filter. It's not a sound I would ever use.

[Teksonik]

I think maybe one of the problems might be the Sliders instead of having knobs for Cutoff and Res. You can get a little more range by not only taking the slider all the way to the top but also then "scrunching down" the slider itself.