KVR Audio

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:44 pm

I recently picked up Melda’s Turbo Reverb and that’s a fantastic algorithmic reverb that lets you model just about anything outside of pure convolution reverb spaces

bill45 · Post by **bill45** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm

Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:00 am

bill45 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?

From my very limited month long trials, I believe it is redundant. From the research I could dig up on the net, it appears that owners of the hardware often report that the two have a different engine, amp or ? - by which they can tell the difference, prompting a few to suggest having both. But when I asked on one of these threads if that difference was apparent in the software, I think I remember everyone saying it was essentially the same.

bill45 · Post by **bill45** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:11 am

BBFG# wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:00 am
bill45 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm Is the JV1080 redundant, if I get the XV5080 ?
From my very limited month long trials, I believe it is redundant. From the research I could dig up on the net, it appears that owners of the hardware often report that the two have a different engine, amp or ? - by which they can tell the difference, prompting a few to suggest having both. But when I asked on one of these threads if that difference was apparent in the software, I think I remember everyone saying it was essentially the same.

Thanks that is what I thought. Different D to A converters. The XV also has a Different sample Rate.

trackbout · Post by **trackbout** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:58 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH28E6vJIS0

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:55 am

trackbout wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:58 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH28E6vJIS0

Surely I'm not the only one looking at this and going -- 1. they already have a 106, was this really necessary? and 2. to owner's of TAL's wonderful U-No-LX, surely this is a big, long yawn of a release?

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:06 am

Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.

RSL369 · Post by **RSL369** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:20 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:06 am Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.

Really? Aren't they essentially the same, with the only difference being the arpeggiator, MIDI and sweepable/stepped HPF?

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:23 am

So glad I stopped this subscription after the first year, I don’t miss anything (I got the 2 I wanted) and there has been nothing added that temps me back.

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:43 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:06 am Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.

But it doesn't have a different sound, though. At least, not a significant enough difference to warrant emulating both. I bet you'd never, ever be able to tell the two apart in a blind test. But you really need both, regardless, eh?

EDIT: OK, I have egg on my face. I don't know how different the hardware 106 varies from a 60, but in terms purely of these cloud plugins, this 60 sounds better to me than their 106 emulation. No idea why, yet, but that's my gut reaction.

But the real improvement over the hardware -- and also notably over the TAL emulation of the 60 -- is that Roland wisely converted the Osc Shape buttons into actual sliders, so now you can mix the levels of the Saw and Square. IMHO that's actually a huge bonus, and really makes this better than any previous Juno-60.

So, apologies for my previous negativity. It was unwarranted. Lesson learned!

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:47 am

Demoing it now, sounds great. f**k the haters.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:28 am

raysaul wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:20 am
WatchTheGuitar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:06 am Juno 60 has a different sound to the 106. Good enough reason for a release in my book. I have the U-No-LX, but not everyone with Roland Cloud will have it and the owners are Juno fans so they won't hate this release.
Please let us know when they release a synth you're looking forward to so we can piss on your chips.
Really? Aren't they essentially the same, with the only difference being the arpeggiator, MIDI and sweepable/stepped HPF?

Nope. There's a noticeably different sound to the oscillators, especially in the lower registers.
There's some good comparisons on youtube. I can't remember where I saw a really good one that compared why certain genres preferred one over the other, might have been something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgPTsistwGU

trackbout · Post by **trackbout** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:43 am

I can see being less excited about a Juno 60 given the existing Juno 106, but if you're Roland, and you're currently in the process of making software versions of your classic synths, are you actually going to skip the Juno 60? Probably not.

If nothing else, being brand new it should have an improved UI, resizing, CPU hit etc. vs the existing 106. In terms of sound, I tend to prefer Roland's ACB models to, pretty much everything out there.

Amram · Post by **Amram** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:24 am

Next one will be Jupiter 6

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:29 am

trackbout wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:43 am I can see being less excited about a Juno 60 given the existing Juno 106, but if you're Roland, and you're currently in the process of making software versions of your classic synths, are you actually going to skip the Juno 60? Probably not.

If nothing else, being brand new it should have an improved UI, resizing, CPU hit etc. vs the existing 106. In terms of sound, I tend to prefer Roland's ACB models to, pretty much everything out there.

You can finally drag the plugin to resize it! It's taken years, but it's finally there.