Software vs Hardware Synth (better investment for beginners?)

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KVRAF
18501 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:35 am

BONES wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:49 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:23 pm
Yes, that is what I said... hardware never runs out of CPU in a way I have to think about.
Except you do have to think about it, you just think about it at a different time. OTOH, I never have to think about it when I'm working ITB. It was one of the first big advantages I appreciated when I started dabbling in software - the freedom to be able to use as much of everything as I needed with virtually no limits, after years of having to carefully ration the polyphony of my workstations - M1 (32 voices across 8 parts), O1R/W (32 voices across 16 parts) and Trinity (35 voices across 18 parts) - to make sure there were enough for all the parts I needed, which included drums for the Trinity.
Right... you are describing your experiences and I am describing mine. They are different and that is just fine.

I really liked the software drum machine Tremor. I thought it sounded great and I was very satisfied with it. One instance of it brought the machine I had to its knees. Depending on the settings/sounds, I sometimes couldn't use all 8 pads/engines. It was a constant dance with CPU crackles. My Analog Rytm on the other hand, I have never once had to be concerned about that. I can use all 8 voices in any way and there is never an issue. I don't have to think about it at all. Plus the analog distortion and compressor on the Rytm makes tones not available in software.

So we each have different tools, interests, aesthetics, etc. There is no one right answer that fits all people.

I've read hundreds of your posts over the years. What I consistently notice is that you have this underlying idea that if someone is smart and practical that they would eventually come to the same conclusions as you and if they don't then you consider them stupid in some way. Nearly every post of yours is shouting that assumption. It colors everything you say.

I have a friend who is an amazing artist. A natural talent! They use paper and various pens and pencils. Someone could argue why not use a tablet and stylus? You have unlimited undo, as many layers as you want, selection tools, ability to move and or edit stuff in ways never possible. The computer simply doesn't interest them for their art. There just is no one right answer. That is a good thing!

And of course you are free to keep thinking others are idiots for finding value and enjoyment in using hardware synths. The world is big enough for Bones to be Bones :ud:

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GRRRRRRR!
11247 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:02 am

I just downloaded the Tremor demo and tried it out. I filled the grid with notes - 8 pads x 16 notes for a bar and CPU use in Task Manager was between 10% and 10.5%. Trying a range of presets, CPU was between 1.5% and 3.5%. Hardly the end of the world. I didn't think I'd like it but it actually sounds quite nice. I'm not sure you can buy it any more, though, but you can still run it in demo mode.
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KVRAF
2522 posts since 15 Feb, 2020

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:05 am

BONES wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:49 pm
I'd also point out that in 20 years of working ITB, I have never come close to running out of CPU
but...
BONES wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:13 pm
Sorry, I'm not ready for Hexeract to be relegated to page 2 of my feed so I'm going to have to give it a boost. I'm thinking of using it to replace some of my more CPU heavy synths, in an effort to be able to use my Core i5 Surface Pro 2 on stage, instead of my big laptop.
Maybe you could use HW to replace some of your more heavy CPU SW synths? You know, to stop you running out of CPU in your Windows 'box'.
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KVRAF
3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:09 am

I don't dislike analog synths but plumbed the palette deep enough to get "blah" about it long ago. So a computer plugin emulating an analoig synth would have no more attractiveness to me than hardware analog synth. I mean, analog hardware synths are OK but I mostly use digital hardware synths.

I've always viewed computer/sequencer program, or hardware sequencer, controlling a bunch of hardware synths as practical distributed processing. Even back in the 1980's era with C64 or Mac Toaster sequencers, or crude sequencers built-in to Ensoniq keyboards.

KVRist
71 posts since 7 May, 2012

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:59 am

BONES wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:49 pm
johnwoo wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:09 pm
I like and use a lot software , crazy sounds I get from my vst synths ... But my joy is my Korg M3 with Radias exb inside and my Yamaha EX7 ... Karma from Korg M3 still amaze me every time I use it .
How so? How, for example, is it more powerful/useful than probablity sequencing like you get in Pigments or Studio One?


Play some notes and move a slider on Karma . That notes transform from a cocoon to a beautiful butterfly ... Multiply that x4 and from a band you will have after some changes an full orchestra .
Do that with pigments , please :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

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KVRAF
18501 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:20 pm

BONES wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:49 pm
johnwoo wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:09 pm
I like and use a lot software , crazy sounds I get from my vst synths ... But my joy is my Korg M3 with Radias exb inside and my Yamaha EX7 ... Karma from Korg M3 still amaze me every time I use it .
How so? How, for example, is it more powerful/useful than probablity sequencing like you get in Pigments or Studio One?
Karma is way more sophisticated. It is a kind of smart arpeggiator that responds to your playing through a sophisticated set of algorithms. It is interactive in a way nothing else quite is. Users can make their own setups. However, I doubt many users ever figured out to make their own. It is on the complicated side. Can be very impressive though. A street performer who knew how to use it could do amazing spontaneous stuff with it.

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GRRRRRRR!
11247 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:30 pm

revvy wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:05 am
Maybe you could use HW to replace some of your more heavy CPU SW synths? You know, to stop you running out of CPU in your Windows 'box'.
I already have 6 hardware synths, with one more on the way. The problem is you can't just have more hardware synths, you also need some way of hearing them all, usually a mixer, cables to connect everything up and stands to put them on so you can access them when you need to. It gets very expensive, very quickly. e.g. I recently bought a hum destroyer for $29 and I got some TRS cables to use with it, which took the total to $97. And that will only work for one synth. (Actually, it didn't solve the problem at all.) With a mixer, cables and stands, you're looking at more than a grand, even before you buy the synths.

But the reason I want to use the Surface Pro, not my laptop, is to minimise my set-up so I can fit everything onto a single keyboard stand. Depending how the Uno Pro Desktop turns out, my ideal set-up would be that plus my Rocket, the Surface Pro and a USB interface. Realistically, though, I will probably also have either the Ultranova or Analog Keys as well (it's a 2 tier stand) and if the Surface Pro doesn't pan out, I'll just use my laptop.
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KVRian
538 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:05 am

BONES wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:30 pm
I already have 6 hardware synths, with one more on the way.
Oooh - what have you got arriving?

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GRRRRRRR!
11247 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:34 pm

Uno Synth Pro Desktop. I've pre-ordered it so I have to wait until they start shipping. Uno is such a great sounding little synth and the Pro version offers some really nice improvements over the original. I am really looking forward to getting my hands on it. If it works out as planned, my stage set-up could end up being just that, my Seaboard Blocks and my old Surface Pro (or my laptop). I think the red-on-red thing will look really cool with my new keyboard stand.
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KVRian
538 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:55 am

BONES wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:34 pm
Uno Synth Pro Desktop.
I had a look and it's not a bad sounding synth at all. It reminds me of the Korg Minillogue in that it doesn't inherently have it's own character. Probably pretty good live with the right fx pedals!

Not quite enough controls for my liking - but then I like that hands on sound design from hardware synths.

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