I wish hard sync was actually good...

[foosnark]

I usually dislike hardsync (any issues of aliasing aside) because of the nasty buzz it introduces when the frequencies don't match. But then, I find a raw sawtooth irritating most of the time anyway.

The best though, is what the Intellijel Shapeshifter calls "1Shot" sync (which you can also do with a function generator/envelope generator). Each time the sync threshold is passed, one cycle runs. If the sync frequency is below the core frequency it's equivalent to hardsync -- but if it's above, it's PWM-like and pleasant.

I'd kind of like to hear a smart "N-shot" sort of sync which knows that the sync frequency is (for instance) 4.6 times the core frequency, so it will play 4 cycles and then stop. So the actual moment of phase reset is at silence, but it still has the other characteristics of a hardsync sound. (If it knows when its zero crossings are, maybe it can sneak in fraction cycles as well; oscillators based more on FM or something are going to have a harder time with that though.)

[Xbucket]

sounds great! only the drums need a huge hug of love!

[Xbucket]

And whats wrong with phaseplants hard sync?
https://soundcloud.com/cross_ed/hardsyn ... VAqDq8hoSP

[gentleclockdivider]

Hard sync can also be verry usefull to extend into further synthesis methods like Windowed sync , for fake resonant waves like the casio cz ( that 's the part where it doens't use phase distortion )
Talmod can do this , modulating the amplitude of the slaved osc by the master sync osc

How do you like TalMod for audio quality?

Amongst the best , like all TAL(commercial) plugs.

[himalaya]

easy screaming leads, right?

Not always!

Hard-Sync is great for bass sounds too. Either static, where the hard-sync frequency adds a nice edge, or modulated, where the hard-sync frequency moves slightly (not too much) and adds a lot of very cool harmonics. Below is an example, which you can hear at 30sec onwards. The hard-sync bass has the frequency modulated ever so gently by a random mod source. Before that you can hear dual, panned hard-sync, where two-hard-sync frequencies are moving separately. The next level hard-sync you may say.

https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalay ... d-sync-fun

[himalaya]

And whats wrong with phaseplants hard sync?
https://soundcloud.com/cross_ed/hardsyn ... VAqDq8hoSP

Nothing besides that it has the capacity to frighten the living daylights out of all cats and dogs in your neighbourhood. Is this an example of a very sick hard-sync?

[Echoes in the Attic]

I happen to like the goog ol' Odyssey hard sync, which I think both Korg and GForce did pretty well.

[Xbucket]

And whats wrong with phaseplants hard sync?
https://soundcloud.com/cross_ed/hardsyn ... VAqDq8hoSP

Nothing besides that it has the capacity to frighten the living daylights out of all cats and dogs in your neighbourhood. Is this an example of a very sick hard-sync?

haha, well it´s a little more , hardsync and then lfo controlled pitch + automated shift. I love those sick sounds even if I know that it will be hard to use them for music in a musical way.
As i´m quite new to the whole synth realm i found this one interesting and wanted to check what Architeuthis is talking about. Hardsync is something i didn´t used that deliberately but also like to understand what´s going on under the roof and what controls resulting in what kind of sounds. so always great to have threads like this!

[pdxindy]

Hard sync can also be verry usefull to extend into further synthesis methods like Windowed sync , for fake resonant waves like the casio cz ( that 's the part where it doens't use phase distortion )
Talmod can do this , modulating the amplitude of the slaved osc by the master sync osc

How do you like TalMod for audio quality?

Amongst the best , like all TAL(commercial) plugs.

Thanks... I'll give it a demo

[Architeuthis]

https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalay ... d-sync-fun

Sounds really good.

[ScrLk]

Good on you OP for pulling off doing things the way you like.

[_leras]

Back when I first started getting into synths I loved the idea of hard sync, easy screaming
I present to you the culmination of all my synth know how over the years, the coming together of the best of both worlds (filters and oscillators): http://www.elanhickler.com/transfer/scr ... 0synth.mp3

Comes from the same firey pit that my FMD filters come from.

Love this! Absolutely Epic!

Is this something that would end up your bundle? I love the look of the other 'mini synths' you have over at sound emote.

Will also be checking out your flower child filter for sure, could be just what I need for a collaboration I'm part of.

[Architeuthis]

This is the kind of instrument I've been wanting to create since the day I first got into analog synths. Finally bringing it to life in the digital world.

https://www.elanhickler.com/transfer/fe ... rmance.mp3 (adjusting mod and pitch wheel)

I'm not very good at the keys sorry!

[imrae]

The best though, is what the Intellijel Shapeshifter calls "1Shot" sync (which you can also do with a function generator/envelope generator). Each time the sync threshold is passed, one cycle runs. If the sync frequency is below the core frequency it's equivalent to hardsync -- but if it's above, it's PWM-like and pleasant.

I'd kind of like to hear a smart "N-shot" sort of sync which knows that the sync frequency is (for instance) 4.6 times the core frequency, so it will play 4 cycles and then stop. So the actual moment of phase reset is at silence, but it still has the other characteristics of a hardsync sound.

An interesting take on this sort of thing is the NLC 555 resonator https://www.nonlinearcircuits.com/modules/p/its-555 which fires off a tweakable steppy function in response to inputs up to audio rate. I don't have one so not sure how easy it is to align the width CV to V/oct; maybe a log/exp converter is needed?

[Tj Shredder]

Hard sync can also be verry usefull to extend into further synthesis methods like Windowed sync , for fake resonant waves like the casio cz ( that 's the part where it doens't use phase distortion )
Talmod can do this , modulating the amplitude of the slaved osc by the master sync osc


https://app.box.com/s/koeg5339tjmz0jakjb4e2i4wvxg88tx7

Thanks for that hint. Reading up about soft sync and that image made me first think I should get Tal-Mod immediately. But then I made a little Grid patch, also to get into VOSIM areas again. And found a way to do that very flexible. I guess for this kind of stuff I don't need extra plugins ever again...