Hive 2 or Vital?, that is the question.
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
hive2 is great, but i don't use it a lot; meanwhile, am using vital everywhere.
i don't get these endless comparisions; they're 2 very-different synths, & i wouldn't trade one for the other.
i don't get these endless comparisions; they're 2 very-different synths, & i wouldn't trade one for the other.
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- 15940 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
I'd choose Pigments over either of these. It has excellent wavetable capabilities, as well as a very good V/A engine and a decent (if not outstanding) granular engine. Overall, I think it is ultimately more flexible than Hive or Vital and much easier to work with than either, too. I'd also rate ANA 2 over either of the others. It's got an amazing sound to it, really clean and lush.
My go-to wavetable synth is still Union. It's a fairly straightforward synth that has a sound that really works for me, whether I'm working on New Wave covers or our main EBM/Industrial project. To be fair, though, its wavetable capabilities are pretty restricted compared to the others but it's really cheap and you'll have it worked out in a heartbeat.
My go-to wavetable synth is still Union. It's a fairly straightforward synth that has a sound that really works for me, whether I'm working on New Wave covers or our main EBM/Industrial project. To be fair, though, its wavetable capabilities are pretty restricted compared to the others but it's really cheap and you'll have it worked out in a heartbeat.
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- KVRAF
- 6458 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
I demoed pigments and would never pick it over Hive 2.
I tried vital, but it didn't really catch my attention enough.
ANA2 is cool, but i'd still pick Hive 2 over it any day. (Or Spire over ANA2)
I think Hive is insanely fun and easy to program and tweak.
Bones will disagree, but he has stated before that he likes romplers over synths anyway
I tried vital, but it didn't really catch my attention enough.
ANA2 is cool, but i'd still pick Hive 2 over it any day. (Or Spire over ANA2)
I think Hive is insanely fun and easy to program and tweak.
Bones will disagree, but he has stated before that he likes romplers over synths anyway
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- 15940 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Why not? I think Hive is hugely over-rated. It sounds alright on it's own but I have never, as in not even once, been able to get it to work in a mix. I haven't even bothered installing it on my new Surface Pro.
I'd be just as happy if you didn't tell flat-out lies about what I may have or have not have said. I f**king hate ROMplers, which is why I don't own any at all. I fact, the last one I owned was a Korg microX, which I sold in 2009 or 2010, I think. To be fair, though, it is the only hardware synth I have ever used in an album song. Realistically, though, every wavetable synth is ROMpler - it uses samples as its sound source - but, again, I am no big fan of wavetable synths, either.Bones will disagree, but he has stated before that he likes romplers over synths anyway
If you want to talk about usability, compare Hive to Pigments. Look at the GUI layout of the filters - Hive has 20 controls spread across each side of the interface, whereas Pigments has all the filter controls in the same place, laid out far more intuitively. As a result, Pigments is about 10 times easier to work with. Pigments also offers up different parameters for different filter models, giving you a lot more sonic flexibility. Look at the oscillators - Pigments has a really simple, easy to use "engine" paradigm, where as Hive has stuff all over the place, especially if you are using wavetables. Finally, look at the elegance of Pigment's modulation system - all the modulation sources represented visually in bold colours - compared to Hive's mod matrix being hidden away where you can't see it. Honestly, it's chalk and cheese.
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- KVRAF
- 6458 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Aren't you against tabs and chucking too much functionality into a single GUI? That's what pigments is. 5 tabs at the bottom, Engine tabs. BlarghBONES wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:26 pmWhy not? I think Hive is hugely over-rated. It sounds alright on it's own but I have never, as in not even once, been able to get it to work in a mix. I haven't even bothered installing it on my new Surface Pro.I'd be just as happy if you didn't tell flat-out lies about what I may have or have not have said. I f**king hate ROMplers, which is why I don't own any at all. I fact, the last one I owned was a Korg microX, which I sold in 2009 or 2010, I think. To be fair, though, it is the only hardware synth I have ever used in an album song. Realistically, though, every wavetable synth is ROMpler - it uses samples as its sound source - but, again, I am no big fan of wavetable synths, either.Bones will disagree, but he has stated before that he likes romplers over synths anyway
If you want to talk about usability, compare Hive to Pigments. Look at the GUI layout of the filters - Hive has 20 controls spread across each side of the interface, whereas Pigments has all the filter controls in the same place, laid out far more intuitively. As a result, Pigments is about 10 times easier to work with. Pigments also offers up different parameters for different filter models, giving you a lot more sonic flexibility. Look at the oscillators - Pigments has a really simple, easy to use "engine" paradigm, where as Hive has stuff all over the place, especially if you are using wavetables. Finally, look at the elegance of Pigment's modulation system - all the modulation sources represented visually in bold colours - compared to Hive's mod matrix being hidden away where you can't see it. Honestly, it's chalk and cheese.
I kinda like the GUI, i kinda like the sound, i kinda like the flexibility, but it doesn't click with me.
On top, I wanted to adjust phase of one OSC of the multiosc VA engine and it wasn't possible. It makes it a real pain in the ass to do accurate bass stuff.
I find Hive -much- more intuitive than Pigments and much faster to work with.
I'll probably get pigments if i get it for 50$, but that's as much as i think it's worth.
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- 15940 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
$50 is all I paid for it and I got Hive even cheaper (second-hand). I prefer the way Pigments does its tabbing to the way Hive does it. In Pigments, it very much feels like it is driven by workflow whereas, in Hive, it feels like it's driven by running out of space in the GUI. Wavetables being the perfect example - no room to deal with them in the oscillator section so chuck all the extra stuff into the centre "screen". I definitely feel like I am swapping tabs a lot more often in Hive than I am in Pigments, especially when I am only using one engine in Pigments, which is very often the case. Maybe if you use lots of modulation sources and make more complex patches, Hive is faster but I prefer a synth like Pigments, where simple things are quick and easy. That's why my go-to synths are all really simple things, like bx_oberhausen, MonoFury, JP6K and DCO-106. I only go looking for something like Pigments or Hive on the rare occasions I can't get what I want out of one of those.
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- KVRian
- 808 posts since 2 Mar, 2018
I have no idea what that means-?
Then as someone else said, learn the free one. If you decide you don't care for after awhile, give Hive a shot.Money is not the issue, I only have time to learn one.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 29 Aug, 2020
I'm also a Pigments user and never demoed Hive...BONES wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:26 pm If you want to talk about usability, compare Hive to Pigments. Look at the GUI layout of the filters - Hive has 20 controls spread across each side of the interface, whereas Pigments has all the filter controls in the same place, laid out far more intuitively. As a result, Pigments is about 10 times easier to work with. Pigments also offers up different parameters for different filter models, giving you a lot more sonic flexibility. Look at the oscillators - Pigments has a really simple, easy to use "engine" paradigm, where as Hive has stuff all over the place, especially if you are using wavetables. Finally, look at the elegance of Pigment's modulation system - all the modulation sources represented visually in bold colours - compared to Hive's mod matrix being hidden away where you can't see it. Honestly, it's chalk and cheese.
I love the workflow with pigments, it's so pleaseant to program with it. For sound-design purposes I would choose pigments instead of anything out there but I guess context matters...
If someone wants a good WT Synth with tons of 3rd party presets then pigments become less relevant.
- KVRist
- 212 posts since 3 Dec, 2019
Vital hands down
Hive is cool, but lacks oscillator fx
vital has 3 oscs, better fx, 8 custom lfos, mod remapping, 4 random mods
and audio rate modulation
synths aren't just a list of features though, they are also sound, and I think vital just sounds incredible
hive is cool and all, but it's just far too simple sounding, and simple can be useful, is often times more useful
but I can also do simple in vital
Hive is cool, but lacks oscillator fx
vital has 3 oscs, better fx, 8 custom lfos, mod remapping, 4 random mods
and audio rate modulation
synths aren't just a list of features though, they are also sound, and I think vital just sounds incredible
hive is cool and all, but it's just far too simple sounding, and simple can be useful, is often times more useful
but I can also do simple in vital
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2335 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
I was just extending the lame Shakespeare joke subject line. And I agree that would be logical but I have a u-he bias.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2335 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
- KVRAF
- 25397 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
It's funny how subjective it is... I like the FX in Hive much more than Vital FX. The FX in Vital have more parameters and I often spend time tweaking them and still not being satisfied whereas in Hive, the FX are simpler and sound good with no effort.databroth wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:41 am Vital hands down
Hive is cool, but lacks oscillator fx
vital has 3 oscs, better fx, 8 custom lfos, mod remapping, 4 random mods
and audio rate modulation
synths aren't just a list of features though, they are also sound, and I think vital just sounds incredible
hive is cool and all, but it's just far too simple sounding, and simple can be useful, is often times more useful
but I can also do simple in vital
I don't love the sound quality of Vital. The synth is flexible enough to get sounds I am happy with but Vital tends towards a fuzzy tone so it takes some wrestling to get what I want from it . I like the fundamental tone of Hive better. Hive is clean, clear and strong.