Pianoteq 7

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KVRAF
20702 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:45 am

He didn't mention Piano V in his post. I assume he refers to Pianoteq Stage instead, which is sometimes part of the software bundle for Arturia controller keyboards. ;)

Edit: never mind, upon a second read I think it was me who misunderstood... :oops:

KVRAF
8382 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:10 am

davidka wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 am
I'd like to ask an owner of a real Rhodes, how does the Pianoteq Electric Pianos model compare?
I own a real Rhodes (Mark 1) but not Pianoteq. Also have a Wurlitzer 200 (not the 200A but mine has been restored by Vintage Vibe and is quiet). Also have a tube Wurlitzer 120 that I never play. So can't comment on Pianotec but right now my favorite virtual Rhodes and Wurli's are the Acoustic Samples VTines and VReeds respectively.

KVRAF
8382 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:18 am

jamcat wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:11 am
Most recordings that you hear of a Electra-piano are from the '70s, and a lot of the warm woolly fat sound is actually coming from the recording medium and technology of the day. You could make the Pianoteq model splatter, too, with some generous tape saturation.

Accounting for superficial differences between the performances, and the real and virtual recording environments and technology, these two sound essentially like the same instrument to me:

https://youtu.be/cMarNNEoMes

https://www.modartt.com/data/audio/pian ... cifica.mp3

:shrug:
What I hear is that the Hohner sounds a bit like Wurli. There's that reed sound there, and you can hear a bit of bark in the examples posted. I disagree with jens saying it does not sound funky. It sounds quite funky in each of the example videos (or rather, it would if someone actually played some funk on it). The Moddartt example sounds way more mellow and tine like, based on the example posted, which...not at all like any of the Hohner YouTube clips posted IMO. I agree with whoever posted that they sound like two different instruments. That's what I'm getting too.

Note: never played a Hohner Electra in my life. But the YouTube samples all sound like one instrument, and the Modartt example all sound like another. Just my two cents.

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KVRian
1468 posts since 30 May, 2003 from Milan, Italy

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:41 am

Probably gonna pick up Pianoteq 7 Stage for the first time soon. Only two packs... I definitely want a really nice all round piano sound AND a Rhodes sound (so will get the Electric Pianos pack). Really loving the slightly dark and creamy demos of the new Petrof, so probably that too.

Question: If you could only choose ONE of the grand piano packs as the best all rounder, for home practise, composition, and recording, which would you choose?
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KVRAF
2299 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:04 am

Hermetech Mastering wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:41 am
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Question: If you could only choose ONE of the grand piano packs as the best all rounder, for home practise, composition, and recording, which would you choose?
If I could only pick one, I'd go for the Grotrian for its overall warmth and presence (in most of its presets).

However, I also have and enjoy the Bluthner, the Steingraeber and the YC5 which I use for different tasks (eg, the YC5 is my reggae piano).

They are all excellent, as are other Pianoteq creations, but listen to the demos via the product page links for a better comparison (as per your tastes):
https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq?tab=instruments

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KVRian
1468 posts since 30 May, 2003 from Milan, Italy

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:12 am

Thanks, I'll spend some time with their demos.

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KVRian
1278 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:39 am

Same for me : Grotrian impressed me the most.

But still, it sounds far from 100% realistic. If you still can hear the high frequencies and if your speakers can reproduce them correctly, you’ll notice how wrong they are.

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KVRian
703 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:50 am

I have the Pianoteq 7 Studio bundle. The Modern pianos I play the most for enjoyment are the Steinways, YC5, C. Bechstein, and K2, probably in that order.

You really can’t go wrong with the Steinway D pack if you’re only getting one. Like the Ant. Petrof pack, you get two models in it, and they’re top notch.

I think the Grotrian and especially the Blüthner are too dark and woolly for an all-rounder.

The Antonín Petrofs are softer than the Steinways, but not as dark as the Grotrian and Blüthner. A second model makes the Ant. Petrof pack a good value and very attractive.

The YC5 (Yamaha C5) is very lively and a real joy to play. It’s the brightest of all the modern grands in Pianoteq. C5s are the most common pianos found at both conservatory schools and rock concerts.

The K2 is one of the most powerful sounding models in all of Pianoteq. It was designed to be an “ideal” piano, which is both a strength and a weakness, because it isn’t a model of any one piano. It has 97 keys like a Bösendorfer Imperial 290, but it doesn’t appear to be a model of one. The lack of a modern Bösendorfer is the Achilles’s heel of Pianoteq.

I like the Steingraeber & Söhne, but it sounds a bit weak when compared to the Steinways or Bechstein head to head, so I end up going for one of them when I want that kind of tonality.

The U4 upright is often overlooked in Pianoteq discussions. I usually play it with hardened hammers and a good bit of age because I love a good tack piano. But I really wish Modartt would add a mandolin rail to the selection of foot pedals.

I use the fortepianos and historic pianos a lot, and would really love a ragtime Wing & Son with all the rinky-tink rails.
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KVRAF
1601 posts since 19 Apr, 2003 from Copenhagen, Denmark

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:16 pm

My favorite is the Bechstein
___The Jepptunes___
"Accept All the Good"

Sound design for SQ8L and Alchemy

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KVRAF
32443 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:21 pm

I love the new Ant - wasn't so keen on the old one.

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KVRian
703 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:33 pm

Another great historic piano that Modartt ought to model is Mrs. Mills, the 1905 Steinway Model K "Vertegrand" in Abbey Road Studios. Let's just say it has been on some well-known records.
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KVRAF
6290 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am

Two companies I'd like to see:
Hamilton
Baldwin
(I remember reading once where the latter bought the former just to claim that the "father of time" preferred them.)

And I half-expected a Fazoli to be showing up soon.

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KVRian
703 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:00 am

Yes. Fazioli and Bösendorfer both NEED to be in there.
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KVRer
6 posts since 10 Apr, 2021

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:02 am

Anyone know if pianoteq 7 is more cpu consuming than 6?

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KVRAF
15574 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:17 am

Caleb9 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:02 am
Anyone know if pianoteq 7 is more cpu consuming than 6?
I haven't noticed, seems to be the same.

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