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KVRist
219 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:42 pm

The real problem is demonstrated by 'SP Africalimba( kalimba-brass) NU' - which HAS the glide time set to minimum and should produce clean bells but instead they are all slightly whiny.

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KVRAF
5930 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:44 pm

Not tried the demo yet, but all the glide reports sound like a bug.

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KVRist
54 posts since 25 Dec, 2010

Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:56 pm

"LD Thales AJ" - there's no way that was intended to sound like that. Take glide all the way to 1.00ms and it sounds great. Still wish there was a way to disable glide altogether because even at its minimal value, it's still there and very annoying. If this is just a Xils thing, then I'll pass.

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KVRAF
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Post Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:17 pm

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KVRist
288 posts since 21 Feb, 2017

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 am

I feel like this one could've used a little bit more testing? Running into some weird bugs too..

KVRist
42 posts since 4 Mar, 2012 from Mainz, Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:19 pm

dvnation wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:56 pm
"LD Thales AJ" - there's no way that was intended to sound like that. Take glide all the way to 1.00ms and it sounds great. Still wish there was a way to disable glide altogether because even at its minimal value, it's still there and very annoying. If this is just a Xils thing, then I'll pass.
You mentioned that KY Grand Pluck NU preset. That is purely FM and shouldn't have that behaviour. The analog OSCs of XILS seem to have a very short pitch variation, but not FM.

In my opionion that preset exhibits a bug:

The "Glide" parameter should be global - at least it is in the global section of the GUI - but it works local for each of the two layers. So when I load that preset and turn glide off it does that only for the upper layer. When I then activate the lower layer (switch off the "double" mode to make it obvious) the "Glide" is still active although it shouldn't. On top of that the Glide button doesn't reflect the actual setting. So I had to turn it up and back down again to really turn off Glide.

That is certainly not the intended behaviour, so that must be a bug.

KVRist
42 posts since 4 Mar, 2012 from Mainz, Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:19 pm

SiliconDeath wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:54 am
I feel like this one could've used a little bit more testing? Running into some weird bugs too..
Yep, there are some weird things going on for sure.

When playing with sustain pedal (CC64) it doesn't retrigger notes that have been played before. To be precise: It doesn't retrigger the envelopes if a note was already played before while the hold pedaly was pressed. This is an intended behaviour for an analog mono-synth. But it is completely bullshit for a polyphonice FM-synth. Even an analog Polysynth like a Prophet 5 doesn't do this, it would just use a new voice.

The voice allocation also seems to be flawed somehow. There are 5 modes but they all seem to do the same thing. It's also not mentioned in the manual which let me believe those modes were an afterthought and probably not implemented properly.

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KVRist
219 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:43 pm

FWIW, here's the voice allocation description from the Xils Oxium manual. I guess these are the same as in Kaox, even though the naming differs slightly.

POLY circular 1: polyphonic, voices are selected one after each other
POLY circular 2: polyphonic, voices are selected one after each other but trying to keep a non circular cycle;
POLY reset: polyphonic mode, voices are selected from the voice number 1.
POLY reassign: polyphonic mode, each voices are selected trying to keep a previous note (useful in some case, for the portamento effect).
POLY random: polyphonic mode, each voices are selected randomly.

A quick test with glide on suggests to me they are working as intended.

KVRist
42 posts since 4 Mar, 2012 from Mainz, Germany

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pm

ELEX wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:43 pm
A quick test with glide on suggests to me they are working as intended.
But shouldn't it trigger a new voice when the hold pedal is engaged regardless of the note you hold? It doesn't do this. It only retriggers the OSC but not the envelopes (=not a whole voice). I was under the impression that those voice allocation modes change that behavior, but they don't.

KVRAF
3262 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:20 pm

Has anyone reported these findings to Xavier?
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KVRAF
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pm

^^^ bad timing, but you didn't know.

KVRAF
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Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:37 pm

Dasheesh wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pm
^^^ bad timing, but you didn't know.
If you're referring to Lotuzia, his name was Laurent.

Xavier is the coder/developer.
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KVRAF
4389 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:45 pm

JerGoertz wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:37 pm
Dasheesh wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:28 pm
^^^ bad timing, but you didn't know.
If you're referring to Lotuzia, his name was Laurent.

Xavier is the coder/developer.
oh, well i'm the idiot then. i just didn't want a bad scene to start. thanks.

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KVRist
219 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:14 pm

Garrincha wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pm
ELEX wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:43 pm
A quick test with glide on suggests to me they are working as intended.
But shouldn't it trigger a new voice when the hold pedal is engaged regardless of the note you hold? It doesn't do this. It only retriggers the OSC but not the envelopes (=not a whole voice). I was under the impression that those voice allocation modes change that behavior, but they don't.
Didn't test that. Only the basic functioning of ( and differences between) the allocation modes. But should a sustain pedal (re) trigger anything at all, upon depressing ? Never thought it should, tbh. Doesn't happen in any synth I have. These allocation modes have certainly nothing to do with the pedal function. They just determine the voice to which a new note is allocated.
JerGoertz wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:20 pm
Has anyone reported these findings to Xavier?
Not yet, but will certainly do so very soon.

KVRAF
3262 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Post Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:45 pm

Been playing with this a bit, sounds very nice to me. I just e-mailed Xavier a link to this thread, hopefully any issues will be taken care of shortly.
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