Physical Audio Derailer Free Beta on Mac and Windows

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KVRist
33 posts since 14 Oct, 2020 from London

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:02 pm

cjwseven7 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:53 am
JazJazgot wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:01 pm
Sadly, looks like Xmode is missing, so it does not support MPE, which is a key feature for me. The original Audio Unit PA3 Derailer has support for MPE.
Hey, so, there is a new version of the beta, with tweaks, and MPE compatibility ... you can get it here
https://physicalaudio.co.uk/Derailer_beta.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6t65GiQ968
Thank you! Pitch bend only works correctly in the sawtooth mode, the rest of the modes seems to barely support it. Bowed string timbre control is quite a bit extreme, basically it has only two states sound and no sound, with a little bit of transition. On the other side pithed bar is only barely affected by timbre. Anyway it is definetely good direction.
I'm having a lot of fun!

KVRist
31 posts since 13 Aug, 2016

Post Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:24 pm

JazJazgot wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:02 pm
cjwseven7 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:53 am
JazJazgot wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:01 pm
Sadly, looks like Xmode is missing, so it does not support MPE, which is a key feature for me. The original Audio Unit PA3 Derailer has support for MPE.
Hey, so, there is a new version of the beta, with tweaks, and MPE compatibility ... you can get it here
https://physicalaudio.co.uk/Derailer_beta.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6t65GiQ968
Thank you! Pitch bend only works correctly in the sawtooth mode, the rest of the modes seems to barely support it. Bowed string timbre control is quite a bit extreme, basically it has only two states sound and no sound, with a little bit of transition. On the other side pithed bar is only barely affected by timbre. Anyway it is definetely good direction.
Cool, thanks for the feedback! Yea, it's difficult to do extended pitch variation with this physical model, because it is running an actual finite difference scheme ... You can go two semitones up and two semitones down on a string/bar, but beyond that the scheme would sound terrible. That does not apply to the sawtooth which can be generated with a continuously varying pitch effortlessly. We'll do a few more tweaks anyway ...

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KVRAF
4239 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:32 am

Installed macPOS 10 version. 2010 mac pro macPOS 10.13 Reaper 6 - DerailerAU crashes Reaper on instantiation. Thanks for dropping the price to something more reasonable. 160 GPB was a bit much.

KVRist
31 posts since 13 Aug, 2016

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:41 am

plexuss wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:32 am
Installed macPOS 10 version. 2010 mac pro macPOS 10.13 Reaper 6 - DerailerAU crashes Reaper on instantiation. Thanks for dropping the price to something more reasonable. 160 GPB was a bit much.
Hey, yea, there is no compatibility for pre-2013 mac pros (there should be a note about that above the download link in the pdf I think). The AVX stuff will crash the daw.

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KVRAF
4239 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:47 am

cjwseven7 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:41 am
plexuss wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:32 am
Installed macPOS 10 version. 2010 mac pro macPOS 10.13 Reaper 6 - DerailerAU crashes Reaper on instantiation. Thanks for dropping the price to something more reasonable. 160 GPB was a bit much.
Hey, yea, there is no compatibility for pre-2013 mac pros (there should be a note about that above the download link in the pdf I think). The AVX stuff will crash the daw.
Awesome. : /
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KVRAF
5503 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:26 pm

JazJazgot wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:02 pm
Pitch bend only works correctly in the sawtooth mode, the rest of the modes seems to barely support it. Bowed string timbre control is quite a bit extreme, basically it has only two states sound and no sound, with a little bit of transition. On the other side pithed bar is only barely affected by timbre. Anyway it is definetely good direction.
This is interesting, as in the real world we control pitch with physical properties which should have a counter part in the model. Pitch bend of a string has two different possibilities, either I bend a string like guitar players do, there its limited, though the model could prevent the breaking of the string. Or I change the length of the string like string players do, there its unlimited. I should be able to choose between these two bending modes. I suggest the for pitch bend by tension control to keep the range of 48 but limit it internally to 2 at the distance you would reach if it could do the full bend... I guess it needs good explanations in the manual...
It would be interesting to get both, control the length with glide and tension with pressure...

KVRist
204 posts since 13 Oct, 2006

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:23 am

How does the new beta version relate to the current version that is available for purchase of the website?
Also, if you own the current version, what is the upgrade path to the new beta?
2020 iMac 27" 10 Core, OS 10.15.6, iConnectAudio2+, iConnectMidi4+, Novation SL MKIII, Push 2, Ableton Live

KVRist
31 posts since 13 Aug, 2016

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:53 am

krankyone wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:23 am
How does the new beta version relate to the current version that is available for purchase of the website?
Also, if you own the current version, what is the upgrade path to the new beta?
Hey, so, the current version of Derailer will continue to work as is. If you want to upgrade to the new version when it is released, and are a licence owner, get in touch with support and we'll give you a free upgrade.

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KVRian
671 posts since 14 Jul, 2018

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm

while we're at it:

are there any plans on supporting the new MTS-ESP ODDsound tuning system ?

https://oddsound.com/
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=563023

KVRist
31 posts since 13 Aug, 2016

Post Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:28 pm

muki wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm
while we're at it:

are there any plans on supporting the new MTS-ESP ODDsound tuning system ?

https://oddsound.com/
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=563023
Probably not for this release, but most likely in future updates ...

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KVRian
671 posts since 14 Jul, 2018

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:03 am

cjwseven7 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:28 pm
muki wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:25 pm
while we're at it:

are there any plans on supporting the new MTS-ESP ODDsound tuning system ?

https://oddsound.com/
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=563023
Probably not for this release, but most likely in future updates ...
wonderful
thank you!
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KVRAF
6172 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle

Post Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:12 am

This looks way cool. Thank you.
I'm not a musician, but I've designed sounds that others use to make music. http://soundcloud.com/obsidiananvil

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