[Medieval/Folk Electro] - Freya's Dance.

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KVRist

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386 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:37 am

ChameleonMusic wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:02 pm
Yeah, does definitely sound better in terms of the stereo spread! 😊
Thanks again, mate. Though we missed an ultra hardpanned effect, which almost sounded like it came from behind to the left. Do not know what we were thinking :dog: Fixed :wink:

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ToH
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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KVRian
1097 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK

Post Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:33 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:17 pm
ChameleonMusic wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:12 pm
vurt wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:38 am
nice work.
i get what mark is saying regards his ozrics comment, but i don't fully agree.
yes, they do go a little bit furthur, as they say, but not all has to imo.

suns of arqa also do a sort of world folk tronica type thing, sullys reel is similar to this, in that it is heavy folk with tinges of tronica rather than the other way around.
take the oroonies (not the cheapsuit oroonies) and they are more pagan folk with less electronic.
there's room for all!

guess what im saying is, while i love the 3 bands (all related!) that mark mentions, i can also enjoy this as it is.


(although, i admit, norse mythology, i was expecting something more techno :hihi: dunno why, probably techno viking from the meme)
Ozrics go a helluva lot further sometimes... Sat in a field listening to them... Think it was a field... It was all a bit 'hazy' if you get my drift! 🙄

You're 100% right though... There is a definite place for the more hypnotic, minimalist approach without a doubt...but to do that really effectively is always a tough call.
have sat in many a field while ed worked his magick on the guitar :hail:


well, to pull anything off effectively isn't easy, it's all the more sweet for it if you do! :hihi:

nodens ictus was nice to read though, rarely hear them mentioned :tu:
Nodens, if course - a sort of mega-chilled offshoot of Ozric... OT apparently released an album in 2020...gonna check that out later today!

That field... My wife reliably informs me that it was a farm in Bridgnorth in the late 90s...98? All I can say is that farms have fields so I was sort of right! 🙄😁
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addled muppet weed
79319 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:10 am

saw them at glastonbury one year, 92 i think. we were just walking back to the tent after the nme stage had just finished with orbital, so roughly midnight, caught them setting up in the avalon field, figured we'd end the night watching them before bed, with a few pipes.
was sometime after dawn they finished playing :o
awesome! about 4 hours plus of ozrics :band2:

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KVRist

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Post Mon May 10, 2021 8:08 am

Darn. We are not finish with this yet, it seems. On our new IK Multimedia iLoad micro monitors, the bass got quite boomy. We have tried to tame it besides from mix correction; violins are more present now to enjoy the interplay with the guitar a bit more. We also skipped them in a middle play where they clustered with some bagpipes. Some dull effects are more clear now. The result is better now on our systems.

We have updated the other tunes as well. We are getting better with EQs and they should all sound clearer now.

Kind Regards

https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/freyas-dance
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

KVRian
902 posts since 30 Nov, 2004

Post Mon May 10, 2021 10:35 am

didn't know there was a medieval electronica genre, cool :D

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KVRist

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Post Mon May 10, 2021 11:03 am

Thanks :tu: To be honest, neither did we before we kind of stood in it after two years jamming.
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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KVRAF
2442 posts since 18 May, 2002 from up on Cripple Creek (CO)

Post Mon May 10, 2021 11:31 am

I really enjoyed this, cool stuff for sure!

Are you familiar with This Morn' Omina? Not really the same as what you guys are doing here, but an adjacent niche maybe. :) Thought you might dig it if you haven't heard them.
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Boss Lovin' DR
7979 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Mon May 10, 2021 11:38 am

Hmm, whilst the ideas are good, it does need a bit of variation/dynamics to keep the interest a bit more.

Also, the mix is very unbalanced and quite tinny with very little low end - hugely concentrated in the upper middle frequencies? Not sure if this is intentional?

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KVRist

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Post Mon May 10, 2021 2:11 pm

Thanks for feedback. No, it was not intentional. I have just put a version up with more low end.
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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KVRian
1097 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK

Post Mon May 10, 2021 2:35 pm

Hi ToH...another interesting track...good overall groove with catchy melodic elements in there, but...

Yeah, you know I'm gonna criticize the mix, but hopefully you know by now it's in a positive way! :)

Frequencies are the big issue here for me...unbalanced across the spectrum(not in my studio so I'm guessing to some extent on exact areas):

High End
Seems to have too much energy in th 3 - 6 kHz area maybe? Can make mixes sound a little tinny and with a harsh edge sometimes.

Also there are little spikes even higher to my ear every now and then...just needs taming with an adaptive EQ?

Mids:
Bit lacking in content here for me, resulting in a slightly 'empty' feel to the sound...not enough 'body' to it all at times. I think some of those melodic instruments - strings in particular seem quite thin...is this the issue?

Low mids / Bass:
It's there now by the sounds of it and the subs are nicely controlled, i think, but...again, there's a bit of a hole in the 200Hz area which can reduce the 'punch' in a track?

Good track, but the mix for me is just unbalanced frequency-wise.

You'd never guess I taught and lectured in Music / Music Tech for 30+ years? :)

2nd Listen: Flute that enters around 30 seconds - it's a little out of tune again! :) Is it a sample loop or something as the same sound was out of tune last time as well at first?
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Boss Lovin' DR
7979 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Mon May 10, 2021 2:41 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 2:11 pm
Thanks for feedback. No, it was not intentional. I have just put a version up with more low end.

Still lacking in the errr..ooomph department!

Hope you don't mind, but sometimes it's quicker to demonstrate so I recorded a bit of the earlier version and had a fart about with some eq/compression/bit of tape simulation/limiting, and think this would be more in the ballpark. Obviously not perfect since it's quick, from an mp3, and you'd want to sort the mix out, but you get the idea....

http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/freya1.mp3

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KVRist

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Post Mon May 10, 2021 3:19 pm

Thanks for the advice and example. Nice of you to take the time.

I have tried to put even more low end to it now. It can take more, but it is hard to judge from my monitors and headphones.
Say if it needs a push more.

As to the form: We just want to get pass this little experiment. The lame melody was but an excuse for me to see if I could make a rhythm violin arrangement minstrel style. It went over my expectations and rest is musical nonsense. We have other ideas waiting in line.
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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Boss Lovin' DR
7979 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Mon May 10, 2021 6:22 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 3:19 pm
Thanks for the advice and example. Nice of you to take the time.

I have tried to put even more low end to it now. It can take more, but it is hard to judge from my monitors and headphones.
Say if it needs a push more.
I'll have another listen in the daytime.

Always takes a while to get used to new monitors, only thing is to keep going, and through trial and error, and a lot of listening you get used to them!

I know the old saying is, 'you mix with your ears, not with your eyes..', but it's good to check using something like the 'stereo mastering' preset in Voxengo's SPAN, to highlight where the problem areas are, and see where cuts/boosts are needed as you go along. After a while again you get a feel for the frequencies and how they translate on your speakers etc.

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KVRist

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Post Tue May 11, 2021 1:13 am

Great. You are a big help. Thanks.
Could you check Valkyrie too and tell me if it is the same deal? Problem is that both my pair of monitors says enough bass, while my headphones say more. Seem like my headphones are right.

https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/valkyrie

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Gothi
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"First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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KVRAF
4973 posts since 5 Aug, 2006 from UK - The Mudway Towns

Post Tue May 11, 2021 2:29 am

I'm never one for genres, styles, moods (whatever you want to call them). To me this is just a very enjoyable energetic track :tu:
It wasn't me! (well, actually, it probably was)

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