You're behind but you're going to argue anyhow for the sake of argument, thats what you do. I noted that even during the "golden age" everyone added effects afterwards:BONES wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 amYou are just proving the opposite point here. You're right, things sound better with effects but that doesn't mean they have to be, or are even best placed, with the instrument itself. As Dellboy says, he can add effects himself, he doesn't need them to be part of the synth, which is why he finds freebies with no effects work well for him. It's a very simple proposition, well enunciated. I don't see how there can be any argument about it.
"Let’s not even get into this idea that reverb/delay as part of the sound design is a bad thing. It’s no different than adding it later as everyone does, even in the “golden age” of the 80s."
He said "It is a bad thing and always was." to that statement. Then went on later to say it was OK to add effects. So quite honestly I don't know what his stance is.
Of course it would BONES.BONES wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 amYou say all that as though those things are desirable but what you describe to me are things that would put me off downloading the demo.jasonekratz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:34 pmOooh you gave it a whole couple of minutes more. How generous! I’m sure in that time you got a full idea of the oscillator modes for the 4 oscillators per voice with gobs of waveform choices, the 6 filter types for the 2 filters per voice, the huge mod matrix, etc.
Of course it can be both.
Actually I said they're totally different synths and once again of course it can be both. You know this is possible and want to argue for argument's sake which I am ending here because clearly you're not arguing in good faith (as always).BONES wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 amWait on, a minute ago you were saying how good it is at vintage sounds, now you say it can't be compared to a vintage emulation. Which is it? Again, it can't be both.
Yes it occurs to me that is possible. Fullbucket makes plenty of freebies and none of them are like Spire but that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement, which was more about Surge being both a free synth with a similar complexity to Spire and a former commercial product, now free because of the generosity of its author and the people now working on it. Can you point me to a free synth anywhere near as complex as Surge that wasn't originally a commercial product? There is a reason why freebies generally aren't.BONES wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 amDoes it not occur to you that the attraction to freebies might be that they are nothing like Spire? That said, I'd be surprised if Vital couldn't mix it with Spire.
I'm sure Vital can go head to head with Spire, its a great synth. It's also still a commercial product with a free tier. Matt Tytel gives away the base product in the hopes that people will pay a subscription for the rest of it. Roland also makes a similar product with Zenology Lite (minus the open sourcing of the code of course).
Anyhow, not carrying on this argument with you. Have a good day.