Why you left Ableton?

[zoematthew]

Just bought Pro Tools, for me Pro Tools makes me comfort with their GUI

[antic604]

Just bought Pro Tools, for me Pro Tools makes me comfort with their GUI

That was indeed very divisive & controversial

[recursive one]

Just bought Pro Tools, for me Pro Tools makes me comfort with their GUI

That was indeed very divisive & controversial

So the guy was even banned for that.

[SLiC]

Just bought Pro Tools, for me Pro Tools makes me comfort with their GUI

That was indeed very divisive & controversial

So the guy was even banned for that.

Harsh but fair

[antic604]

Just bought Pro Tools, for me Pro Tools makes me comfort with their GUI

That was indeed very divisive & controversial

So the guy was even banned for that.

Harsh but fair

Yes, I love the mods here. I want to be like them when I grow up.

[liquidsound]

I'm not a heavy Grid user but this says it all for me.

But this is all I need to know (Poli a relatively simple synth):


vs

This (Polymer an equally simple synth):


I like M4l in theory but in practice, no thanks. Even compared to similar synth to Poli in Reaktor (Junatik) Reaktor doesn't need anywhere the level of complexity as Max does to do pretty much the same thing.

It will be even better when and if BW will allow to create custom panels for the grid creations similar to MuLab or M4L.
I wonder if it’s more “when” than “if”....

[SLiC]

I like M4l in theory but in practice, no thanks. Even compared to similar synth to Poli in Reaktor (Junatik) Reaktor doesn't need anywhere the level of complexity as Max does to do pretty much the same thing.

I absolutely agree, and if you want to build synths Reaktor is a great tool and has the benefit of cross platform and having a great user base (not MPE yet, that but that wont bother most people). If my main interest was building synths and fx I would personally probably stick with Reaktor as I use more than one DAW.

M4L however lets you access everything in Live like launching clips or modulating warp markers, M4L (unlike the grid currently) can also build just about any midi effect or sequencer and extract midi and MPE data from a controller or the sequencer for manipulation. It can alos build quite advanced GUI's so it will necessarily be a bit more complicated.

Perhaps of less interest to most is that it can also lets you manipulate video (in detail) and external hardware like sensors to build controls or control light shows. The grid is currently like a small selection of MAX prebuilt in to easy to use modules (more like BEAP) which is probably all most people need and the ease of use will outweigh the current limitations for most. If you want to build in big blocks, here is the MAX BEAP example for comparison of a simple mono synth (this of course can also run outside of a DAW in MAX)- to make it polyphonic however would require a few more boxes in MAX (no BEAP) but its relatively easy....as there are videos for how to do it on YT



MAX is more complicated to use that the Grid (which incidentally I think is incredibly well done...) but then MAX can do far more and you can 'open' and edit tor make your own modules like those in the grid, you can also load code in to MAX so things like VCV Modules and Open Source hardware (like all the Mutable Instruments Euroracck Modules) are now free or cheap in native MAX4Live modules. Perhaps MAX needs another level, simpler than full visual programming but more flexible than BEAP...

Always pro's and con's...I enjoy them both for different reason but ultimately I have found the stuff that has been made in MAX far more interesting and useful than anything I have been able to make (or download) for the Grid 'so far'.

[PieBerger]

Can you guys start a separate M4L vs Grid already, instead of clogging up this thread, the Live 11 and Bitwig Beta 4 threads with this crap, it's getting kind of tedious now...

[antic604]

Can you guys start a separate M4L vs Grid already, instead of clogging up this thread, the Live 11 and Bitwig Beta 4 threads with this crap, it's getting kind of tedious now...

I agree. Especially since it's pretty obvious Grid is better

[SLiC]

Can you guys start a separate M4L vs Grid already, instead of clogging up this thread, the Live 11 and Bitwig Beta 4 threads with this crap, it's getting kind of tedious now...

Yeh, because a 'Why you left Ableton?' thread is so normally so productive without this type of discussion....

[SLiC]

Can you guys start a separate M4L vs Grid already, instead of clogging up this thread, the Live 11 and Bitwig Beta 4 threads with this crap, it's getting kind of tedious now...

Clogging up the 'Why you left Ableton?' thread with reasons why you left Ableton?

People leaving Ableton to go to Bitwig because the prefer the Grid (or hate Max) is completely 'on topic', so why don't you just stop visiting the thread if you have nothing to add?

[PieBerger]

so why don't you just stop visiting the thread if you have nothing to add?

I guess I'll be doing that, no need to be in multiple threads where the exact same thing is being discussed

[SLiC]

so why don't you just stop visiting the thread if you have nothing to add?

I guess I'll be doing that, no need to be in multiple threads where the exact same thing is being discussed

I feel the same about any thread that mentions 'Apple Silicon Support' which is just about all of them at the moment!

[Dirtgrain]

We need a "Why You Left the 'Why You Left ____'" thread.

[Tj Shredder]

not MPE yet, that but that wont bother most people.

Oh Reaktor can do MPE, I made a MPE mod of microPrism with some help from a NI programmer…
https://www.native-instruments.com/de/r ... how/12065/
And there is more, but its far away from the no brainer Bitwig way of doing it…