Please share your ideas about "developing song/s further"

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KVRAF
2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:50 pm

It would help me out. Thanks.

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KVRAF
6723 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:41 pm

Maybe you could provide some additional context so we know exactly what sort of help you're asking for.

My short answer is, develop a song until YOU feel that it's done, unless someone is paying you, then develop it until he/she feels that it's done, or you've met your contractual obligations (then, ask for more $$$).

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:18 pm

I just make songs for a hobby. It's been suggest to me to "develop your song/s further" and i'm ready to give it a go. My songs are typically (politely?) described by people as "minimal". I'm lacking ideas or inspiration to develop the song/s further.

Thankyou for replying btw.

Here's an example of a simple unfinished song i started today and i haven't got a clue where/how to take/develop it further:
https://soundcloud.com/springgoose/nys/s-QcNSsn32yq8

I'm happy to read, if people are happy to write or post links. I'd rather not spend any money (on a book) atm but maybe i can later. I'm sure i could find the time to watch a video. I'll take whatever anybody can give me, on this subject "developing song/s further"! I can take specific information and i can take general information.

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:29 pm

Ok some ideas are just arriving to me. In this instance KVR is my sounding board, it works for me. Apologies if wasting anybody's time!

more instruments
variety drum/percussion
edit it shorter
"incidental" sounds / "ear candy"
fx/background sounds
mixing i can't really do with my current computer
key change
verse/chorus/more different sections
voice/vocal i'm not much of a singer
vocoder? i'd need get a mic
interesting rhythms for melodic parts

Hey, i think i might help somebody else out here!

KVRAF
13009 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:21 pm

Are you trying to create DJ friendly electronic music? The best way to wrap your head around this is to post three artists that you think someone might listen to along with your tracks. I'm not suggesting that you want to emulate them, although that's not a bad place to start, but what is in the same ball park?

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:36 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:21 pm
Are you trying to create DJ friendly electronic music? The best way to wrap your head around this is to post three artists that you think someone might listen to along with your tracks. I'm not suggesting that you want to emulate them, although that's not a bad place to start, but what is in the same ball park?
Well yes i am doing, but the example i posted isn't. I'm not really intending anything with this example song, it's just a simple song that i would enjoy but it needs further developing! Actually I chose this song because it isn't a club/DJ song which i thought for most people will be a more palatable listen.

Thanks for the advice though, that is a good idea.

I just thought: Here is another song which i've also started today and which i have managed to develop somewhat further, but not finished.
https://soundcloud.com/springgoose/nys-2/s-XTCHyKRM2FB
note: transitions abrupt/jarring
I can give specific 3 artists in the same ball park as this the 2nd example. That's: Baby Mammoth, The Amalgamation Of Soundz, and maybe John Tejada.

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KVRian
772 posts since 22 Feb, 2014

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:20 pm

They don't get talked about much here, but I suggest searching for articles on magazine websites like Sound on Sound, MusicRadar, MusicTech, etc. Here's a Computer Music article from a few months ago that might be helpful...

10 ways to turn musical ideas into whole tracks or sections - https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/10-wa ... nto-tracks

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:27 pm

Cheers telecharge!

KVRAF
4222 posts since 26 Jun, 2004

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:46 pm

Maybe you just want to make minimal stuff? Thats ok.

Tejada does (or did?) a kind of weird thing in some tracks where elements lived in very strict frequency ranges. It made the arrangements interesting because your ear doesnt miss the freqs until they are there, so that expansion/retraction of the freq range was a part of the arrangement of the elements.
Thats not really useful, but it popped in my head thinking about song development and Tejada..

-Make copies of patterns youre using, and change them. Throw them around, see if that gives arrangement ideas
-Start with bigger longer sounds. Start with just an eight bar chord progression and work 'down' to the details. So, instead of trying to build into something with small arrangements, let a bigger arrangment lead you to where details go
-Browse sounds while listening to what you have
-Copy just the basic arrangement of a track you like. Fill in your parts, see whats missing
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KVRAF
2550 posts since 26 Jul, 2015 from Philadelphia

Post Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:54 pm

I find your track oddly interesting. It honestly works for me. Certainly not chart topping music, but for minimal/experimental it has its appeal. The dissonances are unexpected and weirdly grow on you once you get into it.

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:46 am

highkoo wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:46 pm
Maybe you just want to make minimal stuff? Thats ok.
Well it's been suggested to me that it's a bit boring for other people to listen to, and i want to make DJ mixes of my songs that people will listen to.
highkoo wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:46 pm
Tejada does (or did?) a kind of weird thing in some tracks where elements lived in very strict frequency ranges. It made the arrangements interesting because your ear doesnt miss the freqs until they are there, so that expansion/retraction of the freq range was a part of the arrangement of the elements.
Thats not really useful, but it popped in my head thinking about song development and Tejada..
It might be useful, i'll bare it in mind next time i am listening to Tejada. Thanks. Daydreams in cold weather is my favourite Tejada. I still have his Fabric cd to listen to, got a few Fabric cds which i haven't listened to yet actually.
highkoo wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:46 pm
-Make copies of patterns youre using, and change them. Throw them around, see if that gives arrangement ideas
-Start with bigger longer sounds. Start with just an eight bar chord progression and work 'down' to the details. So, instead of trying to build into something with small arrangements, let a bigger arrangment lead you to where details go
-Browse sounds while listening to what you have
-Copy just the basic arrangement of a track you like. Fill in your parts, see whats missing
Thanks for the ideas!

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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:47 am

mgw38 wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:54 pm
I find your track oddly interesting. It honestly works for me. Certainly not chart topping music, but for minimal/experimental it has its appeal. The dissonances are unexpected and weirdly grow on you once you get into it.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! :) Thanks for letting me know

KVRAF
1663 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Post Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 am

wha-tha-hell you people ramblin' on about?

KVRAF
2572 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Post Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:38 am


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KVRAF

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2432 posts since 31 Jan, 2020

Post Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:02 am

Kinh wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 am
wha-tha-hell you people ramblin' on about?
:)

Thanks for dropping in.

My songs are underdeveloped or too minimal. I need to learn to develop/take the songs further. I was asking for help/advice.

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