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SLiC wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:13 amA virtual controller controlling virtual instruments just didn't work for me! I like real 'twisty' knobs on my synths and real faders on my mixer, I'm old fashion! I also want my controllers to be at least velocity sensitive and ideally with at least poly AT...maybe when touch screens have velocity and pressure sensitive and haptic feedback is improved I will revisit, but not now.
I use my Linnstrument for actual playing. It is so much better for nuance and playing than even Push, forget a touch screen! :hihi: .

I only use Logic Remote for the Sequencer and Mixer and Live Loops. I would also rather have real controls. I just feel limited in what is available by the constraints of the markets which favor small size with tiny multi-purpose controls (knobs and buttons) and low cost while trying to do everything.

The visual feedback for clip launching in Logic Remote is so much better, that the negative of it being a touch screen is worth it in that case. Same with edit in the Step Sequencer.

I'm looking at the Faderport 16 as a Mixer/Controller for Bitwig. I like faders for tracks. One of the reasons I was attracted to the S2400 Sampler... 8 faders with good size and plenty of space. It is easy to drop all 8 down to zero in a sec. Endless encoders don't work well as faders. At most you can do 2 at a time and not as fast.

I agree with you that Ableton did a good job with Push. I didn't find it satisfying cause it tries to do too much and ends up complex and not as good at each thing as a dedicated device. The Linnstrument is much better for expressive playing than Push. Something like the Faderport will make a better mixer. Logic Remote is better for clip launching and sequencer editing (those tasks don't need a responsive surface). My conclusion is that one device that tries to do everything will inevitably be overly complex and a compromise. I would rather multiple simpler devices each better suited to specific tasks.

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Yes, PUSH 2 is a great implementation and getting better with each Live release (I didn't like the original PUSH much I must admit) and poly AT and the all new OIP-1 inspired graphics just make it work for me. The Linnstrument is obviously more expressive as a playing surface, I tried to like my Linnstrument when I had it but I just couldn't get on with it...I probably should have tried harder as I'm not a great keyboard player, but for synths I just seem to prefer keys...lets see if the Osmose does the job!

I just have my PUSH 2, a Sensel Morph and a Nektar P6 on my desk as controllers- the P6 has decent action and AT, faders and knobs and works very well with Bitwig, Reason and Studio One...for some reason it never got a dedicated communication protocol for Live, hence the PUSH!
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!

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I like Live 11, but its performance on apple silicon is awful. I managed to create a couple of relatively big projects (30-40 instances of Omni and Komplete), but not the smoothest experience.

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Really?, sound like Apple Silicon should be avoided for now then :lol:
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!

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For Live 11 - yes. For any other DAW it's ok. For Bitwig beta and Logic in the native mode, it is very good.

Maybe something will change with 11.0.5? I have no access to the beta.

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11.0.5 is at RC so anytime soon (probably next week) - there has been extensive M1 testing on the forums and some people are saying its running well, but it isn't going to be native any time soon I suspect...

It's still early days for Apple Silicon, hasn't it only be out about 6 months and you have to buy a new computer to use it? I hope you get native M1 performance soon, but selfishly as a PC user I also hope they don't put too many resources on this- I would rather have native pitch correction fist ;-)
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!

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Slowly but steady there is more native stuff. I am not in a hurry. Rosetta is not too bad. It has its quirks, but nothing fatal. Cubase 11 and Studio One performance is very good.

I hope they sprinkle some magic developer dust over 11.0.5 and it will perform better for all m1 users.

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Some tips that some new user could find useful

Learn Live 11: Computer Performance
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Serhii Kot wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:39 pm Slowly but steady there is more native stuff. I am not in a hurry. Rosetta is not too bad. It has its quirks, but nothing fatal. Cubase 11 and Studio One performance is very good.

I hope they sprinkle some magic developer dust over 11.0.5 and it will perform better for all m1 users.
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Exactly my experience and my opinion as well.

Bitwig v4 is running great on M1. However, Logic has all the advanced features that Bitwig is missing. I doubt that Bitwig and Live will ever implementing those features, while Logic took the Clip Launcher from Bitwig and advances it more. So, for me personally I will invest in Logic more than any other DAW in my M1 Air. In Windows, it is different! But I'm trying to use Studio One more than the others ;)
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.

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Yes, it’s starting to feel like Studio One is the PCs Logic! 5.5 is rumoured to be coming out soon…normally the free .5 update has some good stuff in it…perhaps even native apple silicon support?

I am also very confident Live will eventually deliver. Ableton are one of the biggest and most success companies who basically ‘just do’ music production…they have a focus and are a big team with financial stability. I feel like ultimately I am in safe hands…not always the case with smaller companies or where the DAW development side of a business is a tiny part of a big corporations overall business strategy and focus can be lost.
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!

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Yes. Studio One is the Logic alternative on PC. There are many similarities but the shortcuts are not one of them, so in Logic I need to learn all the shortcuts (and they are a lot). Still, Logic is more advanced and complex than S1 in general.

Anyway, I was really surprised that I couldn't review my midi files in Logic's browsers! (unless I miss something). S1, Reaper and Cubase are all can do that easily. So, I'm also waiting for S1 port for M1 while I still have hope (But very little hope) that Live will implement that but I don't think Bitwig will ever do that if Live don't do it first!. Let's see. There is no ideal DAW for me. There is always something essential is missing unless I treat them as advanced multi channels tape recorders! Maybe I only can be productive if I keep comparing with my first tape recorder and be happy :hihi:
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.

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There is no ideal DAW for me either, even if there was 'now' there probably won't be in 6 months- things are always changing, my interest/taste and that DAWS!
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!

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Ableton is best daw with best workflow and gui, Cubase is second in my opinion.

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Xush.Studio wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:52 am Ableton is best daw with best workflow and gui, Cubase is second in my opinion.
So why you left it?
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SLiC wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:42 am There is no ideal DAW for me either, even if there was 'now' there probably won't be in 6 months- things are always changing, my interest/taste and that DAWS!
Of course what is "ideal" is different from person to person, but I'm mostly old fashioned (not entirely though!), so I like old music styles (Rock, Funk, ..etc) as well as Ambient and Industrial. I'm not into EDM and Trance, but sometimes I like hip hop and other related genres. So what I find "ideal" or very near might be Studio One. The problem with Studio One is the bugs especially in Midi. They might ironed most of the bugs, but my trust in Studio One is not high, so when I record and edit, I always double check if there is nothing abnormal! That is tiring and kills the my flow.

Ableton, although is missing several essential things, I feel confidence that there are no bugs in the basic recording and Midi recording is perfect. It is actually the most DAW I trust and feel peace of mind with it! I might not correct and it is all just an image in my head, but I need time to adjust this image if, for example, Studio One keeps fixing bugs and improve stability and performance :)
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.

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