Went OTB - and then ITB again

Anything about hardware musical instruments.
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KVRist
207 posts since 25 May, 2012 from Sunny Philly

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:09 pm

BONES wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:21 pm
kcearl wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:58 am
This was all done in the Force, no onboard FX or built in synths were used...Im not saying its great but its nothing to do with being a DJ or making poppy EDM (not thats theres anything wrong with that) :tu:

https://soundcloud.com/superjakes/faultline
First off, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should or that it makes sense to. But this is very much DJ music. Like that woman's stuff, it doesn't go anywhere. It just meanders along, pretty much the same all the way through. You could cut into or out of it anywhere and it wouldn't make a difference. And you're all forgetting, or maybe it just never occurred to you, that I've done a lot more with a lot less. I used to get by with a drum machine and a one track sequencer and no sampler at all. This song is from 1986, although this recording of it was a couple of years later, when I had a two-track Korg SQD-1 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxmqD82 ... Nefastuoso
I really dont like to comment on other peoples work as we all play, and approach things differently (unlike yourself it seems)….but that was pretty awful, your bandcamp tracks are not my cup of tea but theyre (obviously) better, I remember that kinda stuff in the mid late eighties, but that was just not something Id ever be interested in or appreciate…I remember the kids into this stuff, techno ran over that scene in the UK anyway, thankfully.

Im glad you can make a living with it though… and your laptop, zero interest in making music with a laptop, Im sure I have one lying about though…its probably apple :)

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GRRRRRRR!
12585 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:11 pm

Oh, that recording is terrible and I was never happy with it. But it was 1988 and someone graciously gave me three days in a studio to make a whole album, and he insisted on producing it. I could hardly say no but a year later I could do better from home because I'd bought a Korg M1. That was the way all through the 80s and into the mid-90s. The more money you could spend on studio time, the better you could sound. But I never felt ready to properly commit to an album until '95 or '96 and that is the first thing I ever did that I was happy with. Although, looking back now, I can appreciate for what it is and I'm glad it's out there. My first single, from 1986, is actually a lot better than I ever thought it was until someone wanted to re-release it a few years ago (which they did).

We don't make any money from music. I don't think anyone in our genre really does any more. Music costs me a fortune, really. I spend way too much on stuff I never end up using, just because it interests me at the time and we get nothing back. Our no. 1 album on the German Alternative Chart in 2016 netted us a total 69 CD sales and less than €10 from streaming in the first 6 months after release.
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KVRian
806 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:37 pm

BONES wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:21 pm
TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 am
frankly I couldn't give a friggin flying freaky fck about what people use
Really? I pick up quite a bit from it when people are happy to discuss things,
It happens by coincidents here. If I can hear people's music, I may get curious as to what they use, but not particularly interested in discussing it. However, mostly my gains are random pick ups, which actually reminds me to thank you for bringing my attention to Vital some threads ago in some conversation (or what to name it) you had with someone. I checked it out. Saw the JP Bass patch, tweaked it and got a better analog type bass to my taste than a couple of my emus. I mainly use one bass type, but made with different synths to vary it, and this one was a blast to me and actually the bass synth in our upcoming new tune. So, mate, there is an effect: The butterfly effect. My brain usually triggers my attention if it detects something in the ongoing chaos fractals of KVR.
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KVRAF
13133 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:40 pm

kcearl wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:58 am
This was all done in the Force, no onboard FX or built in synths were used...Im not saying its great but its nothing to do with being a DJ or making poppy EDM (not thats theres anything wrong with that) :tu:

https://soundcloud.com/superjakes/faultline
That develops nicely. I like it. I wanted to really like the Force more than I do. The pads suck. No, they SUCK! It kills my vibe working with it.

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KVRist
207 posts since 25 May, 2012 from Sunny Philly

Post Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:13 am

ghettosynth wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:40 pm
kcearl wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:58 am
This was all done in the Force, no onboard FX or built in synths were used...Im not saying its great but its nothing to do with being a DJ or making poppy EDM (not thats theres anything wrong with that) :tu:

https://soundcloud.com/superjakes/faultline
That develops nicely. I like it. I wanted to really like the Force more than I do. The pads suck. No, they SUCK! It kills my vibe working with it.
Thx :tu:


Im not going to argue anyones opinion on the pads…they sit somewhere between the Push 1 & Push 2 in quality…which fall somewhat behind the Mk3 launchpad pro, which are best in class imho. Its a pity as I really rate the new MPC pads over the old models, but its all personal taste. I find them fine for most sequencing duties but anything expressive I use my keyboards.

All I know is Ive been through most of the grooveboxes, electribe, new and old, Roland MCs, new and old (MC707 and 101 sit on a shelf just now), quirky casios, unusable Zooms (yes both arqs lol) MPCs including the new Live and One, all the hybrids…maschine, MPC studio, Spark….yet, for me, none touch the Force in its current beta state. It just does exactly what I want it to do with little fuss.

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KVRist
207 posts since 25 May, 2012 from Sunny Philly

Post Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:21 am

BONES wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:11 pm
Oh, that recording is terrible and I was never happy with it. But it was 1988 and someone graciously gave me three days in a studio to make a whole album, and he insisted on producing it. I could hardly say no but a year later I could do better from home because I'd bought a Korg M1. That was the way all through the 80s and into the mid-90s. The more money you could spend on studio time, the better you could sound. But I never felt ready to properly commit to an album until '95 or '96 and that is the first thing I ever did that I was happy with. Although, looking back now, I can appreciate for what it is and I'm glad it's out there. My first single, from 1986, is actually a lot better than I ever thought it was until someone wanted to re-release it a few years ago (which they did).

We don't make any money from music. I don't think anyone in our genre really does any more. Music costs me a fortune, really. I spend way too much on stuff I never end up using, just because it interests me at the time and we get nothing back. Our no. 1 album on the German Alternative Chart in 2016 netted us a total 69 CD sales and less than €10 from streaming in the first 6 months after release.
I made a lot of stuff on a fostex four track, a sampling casio, and a Boss dr55 in the late 80s…thankfully lost as they were truly bad…but I sung then, Id never do that now lol.


Look mate youve obviously got talent, and damned you got an opinion, I just offer mine as it took me a long time to get the set up Im as happy with now. There is no denying there are advantages and disadvantages with different set ups have but if it doesnt move you to pick up (or load) an instrument to play, then its all a bit pointless. Playing live offers a whole new set of needs and challenges…not something Im interested in, though something I can very much respect.

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KVRAF

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2715 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Post Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:12 pm

pixel85 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:57 pm
Alright, your response is enough for me to know that it's not even worth to bother :D
Oh god, I feel like I'm getting sucked back in to the world of hardware sequencers. Again!

You've seen the new Retrokits hardware sequencer? The one that looks like an effing calculator???
My gas is on 100. Must be a bloody mental disorder... :dog:

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KVRian
1395 posts since 11 Apr, 2008

Post Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:47 pm

DrGonzo wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:12 pm
pixel85 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:57 pm
Alright, your response is enough for me to know that it's not even worth to bother :D
Oh god, I feel like I'm getting sucked back in to the world of hardware sequencers. Again!

You've seen the new Retrokits hardware sequencer? The one that looks like an effing calculator???
My gas is on 100. Must be a bloody mental disorder... :dog:

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For me it's the opposite. I hate that thing just by looking at it 😁 Maybe partially because I hated math in school ;)
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KVRian
968 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:25 am

pixel85 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:47 pm
Maybe partially because I hated math in school ;)
If you hated math in school - shouldn't you love calculators? :hihi:

I was kinda hoping it was a synth!. Looks like it has a little speaker on it!

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addled muppet weed
86392 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 am

_leras wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:25 am
pixel85 wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:47 pm
Maybe partially because I hated math in school ;)
If you hated math in school - shouldn't you love calculators? :hihi:

I was kinda hoping it was a synth!. Looks like it has a little speaker on it!

its a microphone.
for voice activation.

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KVRian
968 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:54 pm

vurt wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 am
its a microphone.
for voice activation.
sounds interesting!

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addled muppet weed
86392 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:55 pm

_leras wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:54 pm
vurt wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 am
its a microphone.
for voice activation.
sounds interesting!
im joking, i have no idea sorry :shrug:

KVRAF
5562 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:03 pm

It's not a speaker or a microphone. It's a ventilation hole to let air in for the gremlins inside that work the thing. They'd suffocate if there was no grille... :tu:

KVRAF
5562 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:13 pm

And...no way on earth I could work with those h/w sequencers again. It's seeing crap like that once in a while that really makes me appreciate how it all went s/w with DAWs. I started out with one of those Yamaha sequencers - a QY something-or-other. Hated it. I still prefer h/w for an awful lot of things, but sequencing/arranging I really can't see any advantage of h/w over s/w. That sort of thing is just obsessional for the sake of it.

KVRian
1372 posts since 16 Apr, 2004

Post Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:26 pm

it's actually a speaker, but for metronome only.

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