Producing Music In Reverse - Cheating ?

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KVRAF
2425 posts since 30 Dec, 2014

Post Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:35 pm

It's a strange way to work in a DAW when producing a piece of music.. but it's something I have often found myself doing. It feels like I'm cheating the whole process or task / challenge. Is that something you find yourself doing ?
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KVRAF
10711 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:42 pm

Is it really "in reverse", though?
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KVRAF
13203 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Post Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:24 pm

I always begin with mastering well before one note is recorded. Much easier that way, so why is that cheating?
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KVRian
809 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 pm

You insert notes from right to left, starting with the end of the song?

You play your riffs backwards and reverse them in the DAW?

Or like Berkoor suggests, you mix and master before recording/programming?

Can somebody translate the meaning of reverse here, plz?
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KVRAF
10711 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:50 am

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 pm
Can somebody translate the meaning of reverse here, plz?
I'm guessing - hence my post above - that he means that contrary to "real musicians" many DAW users nowadays use the software to actually come up with ideas - perhaps a patch, a sample, a short sequence or even an FX sound will inspire further steps, which will result in building the actual song and arrangement from that seed. So that would be "in reverse", i.e. instead of having a complete vision in your head - like a "real musician" would - and opening a DAW to just record it and elaborate on some details, someone else would start from a detail figuring out the rest around it. I know I work like that.

But I also suspect - verging on certainty - that a lot of "real musicians" also get inspired by single sound, a riff, a pattern they heard, etc. That's why I'm not sure if it's really "in reverse". Perhaps it's just different tools and workflow, which ties all of this nicely with the discussion about treating your DAW as an instrument or whether or not DAWs should be boring.
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KVRAF
3428 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:15 am

there is subtractive music production too, https://www.edmprod.com/subtractive-music-production/

removing elements from the arrangement instead of adding them
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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:37 am

releasing a piece before you start it would be the ultimate goal 8)

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Rad Grandad
34898 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:14 pm

can I ask what this has to do with hosts?
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Post Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:18 pm

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KVRist
30 posts since 28 Aug, 2021

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:42 am

What is producing in reverse? as in produce/play the music play backward?

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KVRAF
3790 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:57 am

Will you lose weight & become younger?
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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:21 pm

darkinners wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:42 am
What is producing in reverse? as in produce/play the music play backward?
finish before you begin :ud:

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Rad Grandad
34898 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm

Michael L wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:57 am
Will you lose weight & become younger?
ummm...dude, plz trust me on this one...saturday after hours in my basement trying to decide if I should start loading up animals 2x2 I weighed myself...181.6, literally soaking wet with clothes on (when my wife died, 235ish? ). Absolutely the lowest I have been in decades, my appetite checked out without a forwarding address (no lie, sometimes takes two meals to eat one burger)...you will lose weight when you become older...hopefully a little at a time though,not the whole kit and kaboodle at once :scared:
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Rad Grandad
34898 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:41 pm

vurt wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:21 pm
darkinners wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:42 am
What is producing in reverse? as in produce/play the music play backward?
finish before you begin :ud:
he speaks from experience, if he were in the stones the album would have been Sticky Fly instead of Sticky Fingers...it almost was anyhow :shrug:
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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:07 pm

Hink wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:41 pm
vurt wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:21 pm
darkinners wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:42 am
What is producing in reverse? as in produce/play the music play backward?
finish before you begin :ud:
he speaks from experience, if he were in the stones the album would have been Sticky Fly instead of Sticky Fingers...it almost was anyhow :shrug:
nope, i do ok there.
i do have a friend "oops sorry dave" who got the nickname after shooting in a girls hair as she knelt down and unzipped him.

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