The sq8l code is not open source , unless something has changed that I'm not aware offTj Shredder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:05 am If the Surge team takes over the SQ8L, it will blow out the Arturia because it will support MPE then... Same with Dexed and DX7 V... You might program with the Arturias, but then play the freeware after you ported the presets...
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Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…
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We actually are not in contact with mr. Kullmann at all. SQ8L appears to be abandonware at this point.
You may have confused us being in contact with Martin Lüdders (PG-8X). Which we were.
You may have confused us being in contact with Martin Lüdders (PG-8X). Which we were.
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AFAIK the dev of SQ8L won't talk to anyone about the plugin.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:11 am Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…
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What exactly is your problem with Arturia SQ80 V?Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:11 am Not yet, but the Surge team is in contact with the developer who is thinking about open sourcing…
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Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do.
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It's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:01 pm Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do.
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Sure, but I don't think they had to use Repro-5 levels of CPU for that filter (which is quite a bit better behaving than the one in Prophet-5, mind you). If TAL can make things sound equally good at much less CPU, there's no excuse for not optimizing things some
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You are correct, oh these 8s…EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:12 am We actually are not in contact with mr. Kullmann at all. SQ8L appears to be abandonware at this point.
You may have confused us being in contact with Martin Lüdders (PG-8X). Which we were.
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I'm not seeing too much CPU! Not low CPU but still less than 20% (mostly less than 10% especially the imported SysEx files). Of course compared to SQ8L it uses maybe 10 times the CPU But still it is usable for me. Will wait for M1 native support first, then test it there. Oh, one thing is that the effects on the SQ80 V pushes the usage higher when used.
I don't care for MPE support as I don't have any device support it (nor I'm planning to own any!). So, for me, both SQ8L and SQ80 V are great synths that I'm intending to use a lot
I don't care for MPE support as I don't have any device support it (nor I'm planning to own any!). So, for me, both SQ8L and SQ80 V are great synths that I'm intending to use a lot
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- 1701 posts since 19 Apr, 2003 from Copenhagen, Denmark
Have you compared SQ80-V to the hardware synth?fmr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:07 pmIt's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:01 pm Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do.
SQ8L is at the moment much closer to the hardware than SQ80-V
If it sounds better than the original, it's not a good emulation... at least not a correct one
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- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
The problem with the SQ8L will always be that it's abandoned and stuck on 32 bit. I got this yesterday:
which according to google means "invalid pointer operation".
I don't know whether it's the fault of the plugin or the bit bridge (since the message is in German that leads me to believe it's the plugin) but I simply don't use 32 bit plugins in compositions any longer.
At this point the SQ8L is just a tool to use for importing .fxp and .syx files and exporting .syx files to use in the SQ80V since it does seem to have some issues with importing .syx files found in the wild.
The SQ8L may be a bit closer to the hardware now but it will be the SQ80V that will get use here. Yes it can use some CPU especially compared to the SQ8L but it's nothing my systems can't handle. But then the 80V can create sounds that the 8L simply can't.
Let's see how Arturia handles the issues that have been brought up so far since the release. Perhaps they'll address those issues and make the SQ8L fully redundant.
which according to google means "invalid pointer operation".
I don't know whether it's the fault of the plugin or the bit bridge (since the message is in German that leads me to believe it's the plugin) but I simply don't use 32 bit plugins in compositions any longer.
At this point the SQ8L is just a tool to use for importing .fxp and .syx files and exporting .syx files to use in the SQ80V since it does seem to have some issues with importing .syx files found in the wild.
The SQ8L may be a bit closer to the hardware now but it will be the SQ80V that will get use here. Yes it can use some CPU especially compared to the SQ8L but it's nothing my systems can't handle. But then the 80V can create sounds that the 8L simply can't.
Let's see how Arturia handles the issues that have been brought up so far since the release. Perhaps they'll address those issues and make the SQ8L fully redundant.
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- 11093 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
I don't have the hardware, but even when I had it, I am not one of those that seeks for 100% accuracy. Close is close enough for me. That said, I think Arturia usually seeks for the most exact emulations, and the factory presets, when compared, sound pretty much the same to me.olepro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:28 pmHave you compared SQ80-V to the hardware synth?fmr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:07 pmIt's supposed to emulate an instrument that had analog parts (like the filter) as well as old components which are a very important part of its sound, and had to be emulated to get the same vibe. I don't think it doesn't take "too much CPU" considering that. IMO it sounds way better than the old SQ8L (which I didn't use much, anyway, because of the horrible GUI and workflow).EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:01 pm Probably the same as mine - definitely takes up too much CPU for what it's supposed to do.
SQ8L is at the moment much closer to the hardware than SQ80-V
If it sounds better than the original, it's not a good emulation... at least not a correct one
But if you have the hardware, feel free to post some comparisons. The factory presets are there, so, you just have to play some sustained and fast notes in the SQ-80 and in the SQ80 V, and record them. It will not dismiss the quality of SQ80 V but it's always interesting and entertaining.
Anyway, sounding better is hardly a bad think, at least in my dictionary
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Fernando (FMR)
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Prophet V (I think that's what you are talking about) is one of those that need to be updated, and most certainly will, at some time in the future (as well as the CS80). This is me thinking - I have NO CLUE if this is certain or not.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:11 pm Sure, but I don't think they had to use Repro-5 levels of CPU for that filter (which is quite a bit better behaving than the one in Prophet-5, mind you).
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SQ80 V:
A 3 OSC, 4 unison patch, with quite a bit of modulation/envelopes/and LFOS, and all 4 effects used, playing 4 notes together is giving me about 5% or 6% CPU.
I don't think that's too bad at all. Diva is giving me about the same.
A 3 OSC, 4 unison patch, with quite a bit of modulation/envelopes/and LFOS, and all 4 effects used, playing 4 notes together is giving me about 5% or 6% CPU.
I don't think that's too bad at all. Diva is giving me about the same.
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