Free FM Synthesizer Dexed (VST Windows and Mac)

[Tj Shredder]

OPS7 doesn't emulate the Mk.II in any way. It doesn't model the 16bit DACs, Fractional Scaling, Unison Poly mode and other DX7 Mk.II features.

Yes, it allows splits and layering but this is more in line with the DX1/DX5

Oh Really? I have been looking at OPS7 specs but nothing about Mark one or 2 compatibility.

Too bad it doesn't take DX7II sysex though.

Yeah, unfortunately there's little to be done about this. I doubt we're gonna get a comprehensive update like that, so we have to make do with DX7 mkI. You have to get OPS7 in order to get closer to mkII.

Glad I read that its emulating mk 1 only. I had both originals, and would never ever prefer a DX7 I over a DX7 II. I have no idea why anybody else would do… The mk 2 was just better in any way you could possibly look at it… Strange decisions…
If I wanted to sound bad, as Mk 1 I could still add noise and a bitcrusher. Ok that wouldn‘t be bit accurate but sounded the same…

[jprykiel]

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Glad I read that its emulating mk 1 only. I had both originals, and would never ever prefer a DX7 I over a DX7 II. I have no idea why anybody else would do… The mk 2 was just better in any way you could possibly look at it… Strange decisions…
If I wanted to sound bad, as Mk 1 I could still add noise and a bitcrusher. Ok that wouldn‘t be bit accurate but sounded the same…
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Hahaha! Couldn't agree more, but some folks think that the oldest is always the best.
Cheers man

[cowudders]

The Mark-I & OPS modes are somewhat experimental AFAIK and they don't sound that good IMHO. Just stick to the 24-bit float version, it sounds great.
I hope asb2m10 only adds the portamento, the last note priority mode, the internal synth engine mute mode (for purely librarian purposes) fixes re-scaling as well as maybe the aforementioned gain structure and leaves it at that.

That's interesting, the modes are experimental but only those get the feedback loops right in 0.96 ...

Good info, thanks!

[fmr]

Glad I read that its emulating mk 1 only. I had both originals, and would never ever prefer a DX7 I over a DX7 II. I have no idea why anybody else would do… The mk 2 was just better in any way you could possibly look at it… Strange decisions…
If I wanted to sound bad, as Mk 1 I could still add noise and a bitcrusher. Ok that wouldn‘t be bit accurate but sounded the same…

Hahaha! Couldn't agree more, but some folks think that the oldest is always the best.
Cheers man

I couldn't agree more. I too don't understand all the fascination over an instrument that even Yamaha replaced just three years after its launching despite the huge success.

Add to that the primitive GUI and the absolutely bad preset management (one of the worst I ever saw in a plug-in) featured in OPS.

That, coupled with the fact the developer is in denial and hiding behind a bunch of ass kissers, refusing to accept any kind of criticism, leads me to completely advise NOT TO buy that instrument.

The only point in favor (IMO) is that it translates well the DX7 SYX files. But that's pretty much it.

[Failed Muso]

I couldn't agree more. I too don't understand all the fascination over an instrument that even Yamaha replaced just three after its launching despite the huge success.

Because like anything, it has a quality. Some people like it, some don't.

Add to that the primitive GUI and the absolutely bad preset management (one of the worst I ever saw in a plug-in) featured in OPS.

That, coupled with the fact the developer is in denial and hiding behind a bunch of ass kissers, refusing to accept any kind of criticism, leads me to completely advise NOT TO buy that instrument.

Are you referring to DEXED or OPS7?

[gentleclockdivider]

Glad I read that its emulating mk 1 only. I had both originals, and would never ever prefer a DX7 I over a DX7 II. I have no idea why anybody else would do… The mk 2 was just better in any way you could possibly look at it… Strange decisions…
If I wanted to sound bad, as Mk 1 I could still add noise and a bitcrusher. Ok that wouldn‘t be bit accurate but sounded the same…

Hahaha! Couldn't agree more, but some folks think that the oldest is always the best.
Cheers man

I couldn't agree more. I too don't understand all the fascination over an instrument that even Yamaha replaced just three after its launching despite the huge success.

Add to that the primitive GUI and the absolutely bad preset management (one of the worst I ever saw in a plug-in) featured in OPS.

That, coupled with the fact the developer is in denial and hiding behind a bunch of ass kissers, refusing to accept any kind of criticism, leads me to completely advise NOT TO buy that instrument.

The only point in favor (IMO) is that it translates well the DX7 SYX files. But that's pretty much it.

The developer is not hidding behing a bunch of ass kissers
Apparently you can't make a distinction between people who love ops and asskissers .
Ops is great and yes it's preset mamagement has room for improvement when dealing with fermata presets , it's just that you're the only one that keeps naggging about over and over again , from day one .
Not a single point of constructuve cristicsim from your side .
No wonder why the developer puts you on ignore .

[fmr]

Ops is great and yes it's preset mamagement has room for improvement when dealing with fermata presets , it's just that you're the only one that keeps naggging about over and over again , from day one .

That's one way of putting this. The other is that IT SUCKS BIG TIME, and isn't ready, not by a long shot.

Not a single point of constructuve cristicsim from your side .
No wonder why the developer puts you on ignore .

I was very constructive in my criticism. Actually, I was probably the only one that dared to say the king was naked. But the ass kissers (like you) jumped on me. And he his definitely hiding behind you all, and don't even has the guts to answer my critics - instead he opted to mute me. Very responsible from a developer.

Anyway, I am nagging about obvious faults (like a primitive GUI and a completely non-existant preset management, that EVEN YOU recognize is faulty (when you admit that, I think people can imagine how bad it is). I simply don't care if you love the product or not. Even when I love a product, I don't become blind, and I can recognize its faults and shortcomings.

I experienced that kind of denial in the past, sometimes, and some time later, they came to agree I was right in my criticism. I'm pretty sure the same will happen here. But I will refrain to post anything else about that thing.

[fmr]

Add to that the primitive GUI and the absolutely bad preset management (one of the worst I ever saw in a plug-in) featured in OPS.

That, coupled with the fact the developer is in denial and hiding behind a bunch of ass kissers, refusing to accept any kind of criticism, leads me to completely advise NOT TO buy that instrument.

Are you referring to DEXED or OPS7?

Maybe if you tried to read what I wrote, you would not need to ask that

[Failed Muso]

I did. That's why I asked. You weren't being specific and I wasn't familiar with your rants elsewhere.

Unfortunately, I am now...

Add to that the primitive GUI and the absolutely bad preset management (one of the worst I ever saw in a plug-in) featured in OPS.

That, coupled with the fact the developer is in denial and hiding behind a bunch of ass kissers, refusing to accept any kind of criticism, leads me to completely advise NOT TO buy that instrument.

Are you referring to DEXED or OPS7?

Maybe if you tried to read what I wrote, you would not need to ask that

[gentleclockdivider]

Ops is great and yes it's preset mamagement has room for improvement when dealing with fermata presets , it's just that you're the only one that keeps naggging about over and over again , from day one .

That's one way of putting this. The other is that IT SUCKS BIG TIME, and isn't ready, not by a long shot.

Not a single point of constructuve cristicsim from your side .
No wonder why the developer puts you on ignore .

I was very constructive in my criticism. Actually, I was probably the only one that dared to say the king was naked. But the ass kissers (like you) jumped on me. And he his definitely hiding behind you all, and don't even has the guts to answer my critics - instead he opted to mute me. Very responsible from a developer.

Anyway, I am nagging about obvious faults (like a primitive GUI and a completely non-existant preset management, that EVEN YOU recognize is faulty (when you admit that, I think people can imagine how bad it is). I simply don't care if you love the product or not. Even when I love a product, I don't become blind, and I can recognize its faults and shortcomings.

I experienced that kind of denial in the past, sometimes, and some time later, they came to agree I was right in my criticism. I'm pretty sure the same will happen here.

Well , I am creating amazing presets and have used ops extensively with total patch recall .
Maybve you're doing something wrong
You just can't help it , thinking and judging in extremes
I am far from an ass kisser , you may have noticed that I report bugs and what I perceive as flaws , apart from that OPS is an amazing achievement .
If the sound of ops wasn't up my alley , I wouldn't even bother mentioning bugs and overall crisitcism and move one ..

[planetearth]

The Mark-I & OPS modes are somewhat experimental AFAIK and they don't sound that good IMHO. Just stick to the 24-bit float version, it sounds great.

I hope asb2m10 only adds the portamento, the last note priority mode, the internal synth engine mute mode (for purely librarian purposes) fixes re-scaling as well as maybe the aforementioned gain structure and leaves it at that. No need to add more than that, I prefer rock-solid stability to new features.

Dexed is excellent as it is and only needs a few extra strokes to become perfect. The GUI isn't ideal, but it is what it is.

Where did you see that the Mark I and OPS modes are experimental? I've been following (and participating) in this thread for most of the 130 page, and I haven't seen anything about that.

I worked very briefly with the dev to troubleshoot and test some issues a few years ago, and he didn't mention this. What we were working on wasn't directly related to the engines, but he didn't suggest things might sound different if I chose a different engine.

The Dexed site at github and Wiki don't mention this, though the github page mentions
"differences when using Mark I or Modern sound engine
same sound as above: Modern sounds closer to original "
These are from someone's comments in 2016 and either haven't been addressed or won't be addressed. (https://github.com/asb2m10/dexed/wiki/DX7-vs-Dexed)

I'm not suggesting you're wrong -- this is just the first I've heard of it, and I'd like to know more.

Thanks.

Steve

[crickey13]

I've heard it somewhere, now I can't remember exactly where though.

[albertodream]

The Mark-I & OPS modes are somewhat experimental AFAIK and they don't sound that good IMHO. Just stick to the 24-bit float version, it sounds great.

I hope asb2m10 only adds the portamento, the last note priority mode, the internal synth engine mute mode (for purely librarian purposes) fixes re-scaling as well as maybe the aforementioned gain structure and leaves it at that. No need to add more than that, I prefer rock-solid stability to new features.

Dexed is excellent as it is and only needs a few extra strokes to become perfect. The GUI isn't ideal, but it is what it is.

Where did you see that the Mark I and OPS modes are experimental? I've been following (and participating) in this thread for most of the 130 page, and I haven't seen anything about that.

I worked very briefly with the dev to troubleshoot and test some issues a few years ago, and he didn't mention this. What we were working on wasn't directly related to the engines, but he didn't suggest things might sound different if I chose a different engine.

The Dexed site at github and Wiki don't mention this, though the github page mentions
"differences when using Mark I or Modern sound engine
same sound as above: Modern sounds closer to original "
These are from someone's comments in 2016 and either haven't been addressed or won't be addressed. (https://github.com/asb2m10/dexed/wiki/DX7-vs-Dexed)

I'm not suggesting you're wrong -- this is just the first I've heard of it, and I'd like to know more.

Thanks.

Steve

https://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

"Engine Type

Dexed can be configured to use some of the original math limitation of a DX synthesizer. This does not only apply to the DAC, it also involves the bit resolution of the sine waves and the way that the amplitude is applied to each operator. Since all of this is experimental, multiple engines will be available to be able to compare them easily."

[planetearth]

Interesting, thanks! I wonder if any of that will be updated or tweaked if the plug-in gets updated. After all, it’s not still “experimental” in the original DX7.

Steve

[BenfordLaw]

Ops is great and yes it's preset mamagement has room for improvement when dealing with fermata presets , it's just that you're the only one that keeps naggging about over and over again , from day one .

That's one way of putting this. The other is that IT SUCKS BIG TIME, and isn't ready, not by a long shot.

Not a single point of constructuve cristicsim from your side .
No wonder why the developer puts you on ignore .

I was very constructive in my criticism. Actually, I was probably the only one that dared to say the king was naked. But the ass kissers (like you) jumped on me. And he his definitely hiding behind you all, and don't even has the guts to answer my critics - instead he opted to mute me. Very responsible from a developer.

Anyway, I am nagging about obvious faults (like a primitive GUI and a completely non-existant preset management, that EVEN YOU recognize is faulty (when you admit that, I think people can imagine how bad it is). I simply don't care if you love the product or not. Even when I love a product, I don't become blind, and I can recognize its faults and shortcomings.

I experienced that kind of denial in the past, sometimes, and some time later, they came to agree I was right in my criticism. I'm pretty sure the same will happen here. But I will refrain to post anything else about that thing.

Hear, hear, FMR! When I heard the crappy presets on OPS7, I dared to ask why they were so crappy and what was the point in buying OPS7 for an allegedly 'better' DX7 emulation than FREE Dexed, which nobody is ever going to be able to HEAR in real life, and I was attacked by the same ass-kissers...

There is something REALLY odd with a lot of people on KVR - a new synth comes out, and some people decide that it's amazing, even when it has obvious flaws and isn't worth buying, and then they proceed to defend it to the death, like it's their sister or something, and are incapable of rational discussion or listening to any criticism of it.