very disappointment about vps avenger

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Teksonik
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16439 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:21 pm

Norqa wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:32 am
Let us know Tek, in all truth though you should at least email the developer.
You are in an influential position, people sometimes listen to you.
I'm in no influential position whatsoever. I just say what's on my mind like everybody else.

The time I had an exchange with the developer on the subject of a refund I was told I would no longer be eligible for support and would not be allowed to sell my license because I had asked for a refund and exchanged attitudes with their "support" person.

I don't really want to bang my head on that wall again. :?


Like I said these people don't strike me as being the kind to just start handing out refunds.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Norqa
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203 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:33 pm

vurt wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:17 pm

hes been back a good while now.
Kvr cancelled him vurt, that is the history of Kvr.

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vurt
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86392 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:34 pm

Norqa wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:33 pm
vurt wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:17 pm

hes been back a good while now.
Kvr cancelled him vurt, that is the history of Kvr.
i wasnt here when that happened, on hiatus finding myself :hihi:
but he has been forgiven, like a prodigal bastard he has returneth! :scared: :party:

Norqa
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Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:49 pm

vurt wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:34 pm

i wasnt here when that happened, on hiatus finding myself :hihi:
but he has been forgiven, like a prodigal bastard he has returneth! :scared: :party:
Yes a bit like Dr Who he was regenerated
But they neutered him.
Not one of Kvr's finest moments.

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vurt
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Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:56 pm

thats life i guess :shrug:

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ThomasHelzle
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5873 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:45 pm

Well, inspired by this thread, I just asked for a refund and was told that it's too late for that and that nobody got a refund lately.
Andre wrote that I could have asked for a refund back then when the copy protection was changed.
I probably was too stupid to think of that back then, I was so annoyed with the idiotic way the protection works that I uninstalled the whole bundle of crapware and forgot about it.
Some time later I tried to sell it so somebody who doesn't care may have fun with it, but nobody would take it, even for low prices. :shrug:

So screw them... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :dog: :dog: :dog:

Cheers,

Tom
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Norqa
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Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:10 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, inspired by this thread, I just asked for a refund and was told that it's too late for that and that nobody got a refund lately.
Tom,
Thanks for being the first person to bust the myth.
:D
It is not often that I would like to see the demise of a developer, but maybe this time :)

ukm
KVRist
91 posts since 28 Sep, 2002 from Germany

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:30 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, inspired by this thread, I just asked for a refund and was told that it's too late for that and that nobody got a refund lately.
Andre wrote that I could have asked for a refund back then when the copy protection was changed.
I probably was too stupid to think of that back then, I was so annoyed with the idiotic way the protection works that I uninstalled the whole bundle of crapware and forgot about it.
Some time later I tried to sell it so somebody who doesn't care may have fun with it, but nobody would take it, even for low prices. :shrug:

So screw them... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :dog: :dog: :dog:

Cheers,

Tom
Same here.

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Teksonik
KVRAF
16439 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:44 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:45 pm
Andre wrote that I could have asked for a refund back then when the copy protection was changed.
I call Bullsh*t. No one would have gotten a refund back then or a lot of us would have tried. :x

I'm sorry but while Avenger is a nice synth the people behind it are despicable....in my opinion of course. :bang:
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

kiezum
KVRian
539 posts since 8 Jul, 2009

Post Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:42 pm

Yeah, I regret buying Vengeance plugins. Customer support is aweful. I was promised years ago updates to a plugin which crashes al the time. But those updates never came.

They marketed their Avenger plugin with fact it had serial copy protection. But they changed it to a intrusive Codemeter copy protection which you have to reauthorize every few months.

Their sample/preset libraries are of good quality. And I have to admit I learned a lot from studying Manuel Schleis’ presets.

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] Peter:H [
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1442 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:50 am

So what's the deal now - Few pages earlier one forumer reported we could get a refund by simply contacting the support. The recent pages say - no, we can't.
I'm confused ... which adds greatly to me being annoyed about all this.

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] Peter:H [
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1442 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:55 am

kiezum wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:42 pm
Their sample/preset libraries are of good quality. And I have to admit I learned a lot from studying Manuel Schleis’ presets.
I suggest to take a look at Parawave Rapid and Mirko Rutas presets, which are above excellent. They serve as good source for inspiration. Only yesterday he released a new preset lib...

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e@rs
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5221 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania

Post Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:09 am

Teksonik wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:21 pm
The time I had an exchange with the developer on the subject of a refund I was told I would no longer be eligible for support and would not be allowed to sell my license because I had asked for a refund and exchanged attitudes with their "support" person.
:evil:

Wow, they really chose well when they called their company Vengeance. :tu:

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Rad Grandad
35002 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:27 am

Norqa wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:49 pm
vurt wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:34 pm

i wasnt here when that happened, on hiatus finding myself :hihi:
but he has been forgiven, like a prodigal bastard he has returneth! :scared: :party:
Yes a bit like Dr Who he was regenerated
But they neutered him.
Not one of Kvr's finest moments.

Norqa
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190 posts since 13 Jul, 2021
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Rad Grandad
35002 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:58 am

Teksonik wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:25 am
We have reached Godwin's law and not even to page 5 yet..... :?
You're the catalyst only sir, not directed at you.

and this is a problem that needs serious addressing...I spent months this year with PM's off because of the usual members, but also a group/sockpuppets. Dan banned him/them for an unbelievable attack on me in the roll call thread...and I actually asked Dan and then changed it to a suspension.

To call me, a veteran, an honorable veteran a nazi is absolutely hate speech and should not imo be accepted in any civilized society...but I am called worse (but keep in mind, this soldier went through boot camp in 1978, every single drill sgt was a well seasoned Vietnam Vet, Full Metal Jacket boot camp scenes were very close to my experience...I wouldnt suggest saying it to my face) :lol:

Billions of words on this planet and people who call themselves intelligent cant express themselves any better? Godwins law is offensive to the people who are making the posts calling people nazis, it simply screams desperation of no longer having a point to make and imo displays a total lack of intellect.

There are indeed legit uses of the word, or at least some that would not directly challenge KvR rules...calling someone/company a nazi is a violation of the rules.../end
Words are a barrier to help-seeking and a motivator for making discrimination acceptable.
Mad Pride
If there is a direction to mankind, it ought to be a coming together Brian May

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