Halion Sonic vs. Kontakt ??

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KVRAF
15689 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Post Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:54 pm

layzer wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Googly Smythe wrote:If all you're after is sample libraries, HALion/Sonic is a waste of time. 3rd party libraries are all but non-existent. The "real" sounds in HALion are barely ok. Eg, the only choir (that sounds anywhere near human) is the mellotron one.
I love HALion and use it on every project but when I want "real" instruments I go elsewhere.
Not so true...

Multisampled wahwah trombone in HALion.
https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... xperiments
that may sound like a real trombone, but that is one of the most Gad Awful noises
i've ever heard. I can't imagine using it in any song and expect anyone to like it. :o
LOL, what's so awful about a wahwah trombone :)
I don't expect you to use it in any of your freeware songs so please hate it as much as you like.

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KVRian
777 posts since 5 Oct, 2009 from Portland, OR

Post Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:57 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:I don't expect you to use it in any of your freeware songs so please hate it as much as you like.
Sampleconstruct? More like Savageconstruct, amirite?

KVRer

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23 posts since 13 Jul, 2017

Post Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:53 am

shidostrife wrote:Great choice!

I suggest to start digging from this page for freebies. 70% of those are Kontakt.

http://bedroomproducersblog.com/categor ... -shootout/
Thanks mate! Will be exploring that and various others known to me.

Really enjoying my choice so far. Even better than expected.
~Cheers!

KVRAF
2674 posts since 17 Sep, 2016

Post Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:49 pm

BillyBoyKVR wrote:Hi zzz00M... Thanks for suggestion. DLed the ST3 thing a while back. Couldn't even find the free instruments! Was so put off by the intrusive nature of the "Shop" in your face, besides no clear info on where to see/find these "free instruments" -- just deleted the whole thing within hours.

So you figure I missed out, hey? Haha. Well, how much was it with the bump up to full magical instruments anyway?
Sorry to hear you had those issues. They put the download links in your user area in your account for all registered products so when you sign on, you can locate them.

IK recently ran a promotion that if you bought ANY of their iRig hardware products, you would get the full ST3 added to your account. That offer even applied to their iRig Keys Mini ($79.99). :D
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KVRAF
2674 posts since 17 Sep, 2016

Post Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:59 pm

BillyBoyKVR wrote:
Then there's the 3rd party instruments! -- Yeah Baby! -- starting right away with Strummed Acoustic 2. Session Horns and Session Strings to follow (OR the beautiful World Suite for UVI; whatever order; we'll see).
FYI, if you go with Kontakt, and think that you may eventually end up with the upgrade to Komplete 11, check out what's currently included in Komplete. Many of those expansion libraries (exception, Strummed Acoustic 2) are included in Komplete, so you will end up paying for them twice. Might want to hold off on the extras until you decide on your long term upgrade path!
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KVRer
1 posts since 21 Oct, 2021

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:18 am

Honestly even with the newer versions available today and new libraries released by Steinberg, Halion is no match for Kontakt in any way. The sounds that comes with Halion Sonic 3 SE together with Cubase is just as old as the Kontakt free factory library. You have imense posibilities in Kontakt, but a horrible small interface (up to ver. 6) Think they have made it able to scale better in ver 7. Still if your not very technically it isn't likely you'll ever get to make your own sounds in Kontakt. Halion full version is much more user friendly, but if you are comparing the Free versions, Kontakt may have a slight edge over Halion .. not very much tho. If you are looking for good bread and butter sounds, your better off buying a used jv1080/2080/5080 or an Integra. The ver 3 SE with cubase library is only barely on par with what you find in those 20+ year old romplers with a few exceptions here and there. I remember back with Cubase 5.0 It could hardly beat a Roland Super GS model in being just somewhat coherent in all the Sound quality.

Today I would say, if there is any NI Equip you could make use of .. buy it. You get the budget Komplete 13 packet for free, and wait for summer or Black Friday and upgrade it at usually 50% off to any of the Standard or better packets, as many 3'rd party libraries need the full version of Kontakt. Komplete is a really good deal from Standard and up when they have a sale out. I would go for the Standard to enable all 3'rd party libraries and then get a sub on EastWest Sound Cloud. You get access to ALL their libraries in every sub plan and there are many good libraries for all kind of styles, even they are mostly known for their Orchestral stuff. Their Choir libraries is a MUST have imo. With their word builder they are just incredible.
Check out https://youtu.be/C5UUsZRHGIc for demonstration of how EastWest Hollywood choirs sound like when you learn to master phonetics :)

P.S. The fairly newly released Iconica library for Halion is a pretty massive enhancement from the old Strings Library and a fairly good 1st try for a "Pro" Orchestra library from Steinberg .. tho also as always from Steinberg at a premium price tag where you can get some of the best libraries out there at a cheaper price :)

KVRAF
2098 posts since 26 Jul, 2004

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:58 am

I own both.

1.Halions UI is a mess, compared to Kontakts workflow. I never find what I am searching or at once.
2.For Kontakt you have by fare more librarys to choose from.
3.Halions factory sounds are................well, sounding not very high qual.
4.Kontakts factory sounds are the same as Halions, not really the best, BUT as mentioned b4, there are countless libs to choos from and there are real diamonds out there.

Only thing that I think sounds better than the on in Kontakt is the timestreching and pitchshift in Halion, IMHO.

Just my oppinion.

KVRAF
13133 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:52 am

classic wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:58 am
I own both.

1.Halions UI is a mess, compared to Kontakts workflow. I never find what I am searching or at once.
2.For Kontakt you have by fare more librarys to choose from.
3.Halions factory sounds are................well, sounding not very high qual.
4.Kontakts factory sounds are the same as Halions, not really the best, BUT as mentioned b4, there are countless libs to choos from and there are real diamonds out there.

Only thing that I think sounds better than the on in Kontakt is the timestreching and pitchshift in Halion, IMHO.

Just my oppinion.
I have both also and I think that it depends on what you want to do with it. That said, if you have neither, then Kontakt is still the obvious first choice for most people and it really doesn't have anything to do with how it sounds or works, rather, it has to do with the availability of libraries.

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addled muppet weed
86075 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:59 am

necro, only three years? amateur.

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Banned
66 posts since 21 Jul, 2021 from Over There.

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:25 pm

Why barely no mention that HALion Sonic is more of a synth than a sample player? And a pretty capable one at that. imho. Anyways, forget Sonic, get its big brother.

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66 posts since 21 Jul, 2021 from Over There.

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:26 pm

vurt wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:59 am
necro, only three years? amateur.
Indeed, the body is still warm.

v1o
KVRAF
3035 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:38 pm

Halion (with the Raven and the Eagle) has much better factory pianos than Kontakt. You need to upgrade to Komplete to get somewhat decent pianos for Kontakt. Also from what I've heard on YT, Omnisphere has far better factory sounds than both Kontakt or Halion.
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KVRAF
6547 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:10 pm

v1o wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:38 pm
Halion (with the Raven and the Eagle) has much better factory pianos than Kontakt. You need to upgrade to Komplete to get somewhat decent pianos for Kontakt. Also from what I've heard on YT, Omnisphere has far better factory sounds than both Kontakt or Halion.
Except for pianos. Omnisphere needs Keyscape added to it for those. HAL and Omni both have great factory sounds. Wouldn't put one above the other in an over-generalized way. However, I generally feel HAL has a larger range of immediately usable sounds for my needs.

KVRAF
23273 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:26 am

The Kontakt World library I keep, the others I don't have the space for, never get used. I don't use that stuff at all frequently but it's good stuff.
For the future, Kontakt is not replaceable if one is going to rely on samples for a whole sound, the third party development is another universe to Halion Sonic. I have Sonic 3 but I don't think it's been used in a project (I don't get on with the GUI).

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