Software Synths VS. Digital Hardware Synths.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33159 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
i bet there's photographic evidence, with POG as the pilot.
once I get photoshop installed on this thing
once I get photoshop installed on this thing
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
ive just seen me on sting in his pants.whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:59 pm i bet there's photographic evidence, with POG as the pilot.
once I get photoshop installed on this thing
anything else is an improvement.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33159 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
you'd think so, right?vurt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:04 pmive just seen me on sting in his pants.whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:59 pm i bet there's photographic evidence, with POG as the pilot.
once I get photoshop installed on this thing
anything else is an improvement.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- 25397 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
My Elektron Digitone is 4 part multi-timbral. That is 4 'instances' in one synth... so no, I do not need to record to audio to have more than one part on a hardware synth.
My Waldorf M also has 4 parts. The Elektron Rytm is 8. I've got some sweet bass and pad sounds on individual tracks on the Rytm.
The Quantum and Polybrute can have keyboard splits... so that is 2 sounds each.
So that is 20 simultaneous parts (instances) without needing to bounce to audio. There are plenty more if I include the rest of my hardware synths. Those plus Bitwig tracks with software instruments is more than I need to keep everything in midi should I choose.
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- KVRAF
- 35410 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Didn't you forget something? Yes, that splits up the polyphony.pdxindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 pmMy Elektron Digitone is 4 part multi-timbral. That is 4 'instances' in one synth... so no, I do not need to record to audio to have more than one part on a hardware synth.
You're one of those "Let's just not state the disadvantages" kind of guy, aren't ya?
Also, nice job picking one of the few of your hardware synths which are actually multi timbral. We're talking about the generality here, not single devices. Especially when it comes with such a downside like limiting the overall polyphony. 8 voices in total, and 4 parts multi timbral, nice! That's a blazing 2 voices per part. Vs. as many instances of soft synths, of which many can play 256 voices per instance. Hilarious.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
polyphony is a fad.chk071 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:50 pmDidn't you forget something? Yes, that splits up the polyphony.pdxindy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 pmMy Elektron Digitone is 4 part multi-timbral. That is 4 'instances' in one synth... so no, I do not need to record to audio to have more than one part on a hardware synth.
You're one of those "Let's just not state the disadvantages" kind of guy, aren't ya?
Also, nice job picking one of the few of your hardware synths which are actually multi timbral. We're talking about the generality here, not single devices.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
btw, it is possible to build chords in a mono synth, even with a single oscillator
clever use of delay is all you need
clever use of delay is all you need
- KVRAF
- 7341 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Yes, software can be instanced... that's part of why I prefer it for things like EQ, compressors, etc. that I might need multiples of.
I don't need multiple instances of flagship synths or modules though. I've never once bemoaned not having four Microfreaks, or 8 Manis Iteritas for full polyphony, or two Shapeshifters, etc. My total voice count in recordings is relatively light because the individual sounds themselves tend to be complex and spectrum-filling, no need to bulk it up with multiple instances.
If I was more of a keyboard player or cared about more mainstream composition I might be concerned with polyphony. But that's two nopes from me.
I don't need multiple instances of flagship synths or modules though. I've never once bemoaned not having four Microfreaks, or 8 Manis Iteritas for full polyphony, or two Shapeshifters, etc. My total voice count in recordings is relatively light because the individual sounds themselves tend to be complex and spectrum-filling, no need to bulk it up with multiple instances.
If I was more of a keyboard player or cared about more mainstream composition I might be concerned with polyphony. But that's two nopes from me.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105800 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
that's the thing, some genres do have more pad and chords going on.
but others as you say, each sound is complex, rather than simple sounds in a complex arrangement.
im similar to you in idea if not outcome, i prefer layers of mono sounds that weave in and out, pads and chords are rare for me to reach for. even on the guitar, i have for a long time treated it as a monophonic instrument, using delays and modulation fx to "pad out" the space.
i think some people just think of music as "what i do" and maybe don't realise there are many styles which are built differently. not on purpose, just a human trait to imagine others will work the same as you do to achieve similar goals.
id still love for chk to experience a wall of modular and the freedom and inspiration it can give. even if it's not for him, i think it might give him (or anyone) an insight in to the why!
- KVRAF
- 12352 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
Sure, folks who are accustomed to software find software more convenient. Seems logical. But since there are so many people here who mostly work with software, there could be some confirmation bias going on. Right?
I've worked with some people who have no problem laying down multiple takes with a physical instrument but would have no idea what to do if I put them in front of a DAW. Even if I just sit them in front of a MIDI controller, they start to get frustrated because it's just not what they are used to.
I know some other people who can work really fast with their hardware sequencer or workstantion of choice but if you put a mouse in their hand, they slow way down.
I have also worked with lots of people who are more familiar with software but love the idea of working with hardware because they have some idea in their head... like the grass is greener, y'know? But they quickly find that, since they don't have as much experience with that gear, getting it to do something useful takes more time than if they just stuck with the tools they usually use. I try to tell them, either stick to what you know or commit to the process of learning to walk before you try to run with an unfamiliar tool.
It's all different strokes for different folks. Any limitation of a tool is only really a limitation if it prevents you from working the way you are used to, as far as I can tell.
I've worked with some people who have no problem laying down multiple takes with a physical instrument but would have no idea what to do if I put them in front of a DAW. Even if I just sit them in front of a MIDI controller, they start to get frustrated because it's just not what they are used to.
I know some other people who can work really fast with their hardware sequencer or workstantion of choice but if you put a mouse in their hand, they slow way down.
I have also worked with lots of people who are more familiar with software but love the idea of working with hardware because they have some idea in their head... like the grass is greener, y'know? But they quickly find that, since they don't have as much experience with that gear, getting it to do something useful takes more time than if they just stuck with the tools they usually use. I try to tell them, either stick to what you know or commit to the process of learning to walk before you try to run with an unfamiliar tool.
It's all different strokes for different folks. Any limitation of a tool is only really a limitation if it prevents you from working the way you are used to, as far as I can tell.
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- KVRAF
- 2395 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
I'm guessing you specialise in "vurtical" take off jets ?