Goodbye, dear plugin! Those that won't make the Apple M1 transition
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2207 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
I've used Crystal for as long as I can remember. The ability to generate new patches from a pair of old ones was way ahead of its time and it's still a rare feature. The latest version still contains PPC32/64 binaries in it. I doubt that it will be recompiled for arm64.
So, I doff my hat and bid a find farewell to Crystal.
Honorable mentions go out to Luxonix LFX-1310 and the old ReFX plugs. Despite being stuck in 32-bit land, they still saw some use.
So, I doff my hat and bid a find farewell to Crystal.
Honorable mentions go out to Luxonix LFX-1310 and the old ReFX plugs. Despite being stuck in 32-bit land, they still saw some use.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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- addled muppet weed
- 105553 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2207 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Crystal will, as it's 64-bit, but it will never run natively. I'm sure some enterprising young programmer will write a bridge. I believe Reaper and Bitwig both have bridges rolled in already.
However, I'm sure Rosetta will go away at some point, same as the original did, once Apple feels that their transition is complete.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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jacqueslacouth jacqueslacouth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48379
- KVRian
- 1149 posts since 18 Nov, 2004
- KVRian
- 812 posts since 11 Mar, 2010
I'm not really worried about this M1 thing (as I don't see myself ever going Apple's route).
HOWEVER, I might be going the ARM's route at some point, as there's a chance it'll become a solid contender in the PC world in the next few years.
HOWEVER, I might be going the ARM's route at some point, as there's a chance it'll become a solid contender in the PC world in the next few years.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2207 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Windows is already out in the wild on tablets with an ARM version. I'm not sure if it's running applications through a translation layer a la Rosetta, or you need to find ARM-compatible software.Sinisterbr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:59 pm I'm not really worried about this M1 thing (as I don't see myself ever going Apple's route).
HOWEVER, I might be going the ARM's route at some point, as there's a chance it'll become a solid contender in the PC world in the next few years.
I've heard rumors that M$ wants to push in that direction. Really strange times for competes these days.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
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- KVRAF
- 35262 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
You heard right. Unlike with Apple, this will take decades though (until it's all-encompassing). IF there won't be another architecture by then.
Lots of if's there. I say that there will be never be a single architecture, but, it will go on in parallel. That's the best anyway. Look at this bloody mess Apple created for developers and users. Microsoft always was about compatibility, although Windows 11 is a bit of a blow for that. Nonetheless, it probably will never be like with Apple, i.e. that they excercise full control over the user's hardware.
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roringtonsmithe roringtonsmithe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=255298
- KVRist
- 31 posts since 24 Apr, 2011
rip camel-phat
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- KVRAF
- 1504 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
To contradict the universe? Though, since it's expanding at ~46 miles per second, you'd be long out of sight before anyone noticed your protest.
They're under an exclusive contract with Qualcomm, who've (by many accounts) made a poor job of their hardware based x86 emulation. Until there's a high performing x86/64 solution MS know it makes ARM a difficult, if not pointless, proposition for many of their "business partners". MS probably can't wait until the contract ends, considering it's now obvious they backed the wrong horse, so to speak..
Also ironic that Apple, who arguably needs this aspect much less than Microsoft, then proceeded to show how to get good performance from x64 code.
BTW - It's only "goodbye" for now. You'll probably be able to run that old software via emulation again, some day..
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Unless you use Logic
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
It's not a mess for me... Today I added a 100 duplicate tracks of a Dune 3 preset each playing 4-6 notes and my new MBP was nowhere near its limit. And that is with the project @ 96khz! Plus it was barely even warm and it was silent. Best freaking laptop ever made! Apple has done a great job IMO.
- KVRian
- 812 posts since 11 Mar, 2010
Aparently not for too long, though.PAK wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 amTo contradict the universe? Though, since it's expanding at ~46 miles per second, you'd be long out of sight before anyone noticed your protest.
They're under an exclusive contract with Qualcomm, who've (by many accounts) made a poor job of their hardware based x86 emulation. Until there's a high performing x86/64 solution MS know it makes ARM a difficult, if not pointless, proposition for many of their "business partners". MS probably can't wait until the contract ends, considering it's now obvious they backed the wrong horse, so to speak..
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/3 ... uch-longer
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- KVRist
- 345 posts since 4 Jun, 2020 from USA
After hearing PC fan noise for 30 years, I find it a blessing to use my absolutely silent M1 Mini. I will never go back to the Windows realm.pdxindy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:24 amIt's not a mess for me... Today I added a 100 duplicate tracks of a Dune 3 preset each playing 4-6 notes and my new MBP was nowhere near its limit. And that is with the project @ 96khz! Plus it was barely even warm and it was silent. Best freaking laptop ever made! Apple has done a great job IMO.