Goodbye, dear plugin! Those that won't make the Apple M1 transition
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
You obviously haven't heard my MacBook Pro...Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 amAfter hearing PC fan noise for 30 years, I find it a blessing to use my absolutely silent M1 Mini. I will never go back to the Windows realm.pdxindy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:24 amIt's not a mess for me... Today I added a 100 duplicate tracks of a Dune 3 preset each playing 4-6 notes and my new MBP was nowhere near its limit. And that is with the project @ 96khz! Plus it was barely even warm and it was silent. Best freaking laptop ever made! Apple has done a great job IMO.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
ARM is a non-Intel CPU used in phones, tablets, and now MacBooks and Mac desktops. I'm sure Microsoft will come out with LEG chips soon enough to compete.
Crystal is a bit long in the tooth--a tad bright and thin for my taste these days, but I used to use it for pretty much everything. I designed whole songs just to showcase a single patch I made.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15952 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Says who? Can you name even one compatibility issue anyone has had that can't be fixed by installing the latest driver? I've read about performance issues and issues with Windows 11 itself but I am unaware of any compatibility issues from anyone, even after searching for problems on line.
Hardly impressive, DUNE is one of the most CPU efficient plugins around and I don't notice any increase in CPU use running my I/O device at 48kHz or 96kHz anyway. Try doing the same thing with 100 different plugins and see how that goes.
Really? You never heard of liquid cooling? My last 2-in-1 was liquid cooled, it didn't even have a fan. I bought it more than 3 years ago now so Apple are just catching up. Seems ignorance is a prerequisite for Apple fandom. Or maybe it's just gullibility?
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- KVRAF
- 25416 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I could cook breakfast on my Intel MBPsyntonica wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:33 amYou obviously haven't heard my MacBook Pro...Chrisk-K wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:27 amAfter hearing PC fan noise for 30 years, I find it a blessing to use my absolutely silent M1 Mini. I will never go back to the Windows realm.pdxindy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:24 amIt's not a mess for me... Today I added a 100 duplicate tracks of a Dune 3 preset each playing 4-6 notes and my new MBP was nowhere near its limit. And that is with the project @ 96khz! Plus it was barely even warm and it was silent. Best freaking laptop ever made! Apple has done a great job IMO.
The new Apple Silicon MBP is amazing. Much of the time it is hard to tell if it is warmer than ambient temperature... even under loads that would have my previous one making loud annoying fan noise, it is still silent.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2237 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Not my quote, I never said that.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
And they are way bigger than a Mac mini and eat about 10 times more power for the same task… Or has BONES a water cooled laptop?
I was very sceptic when I first heard of the move to M1. Now I consider to get one. It will outperform my (very silent) 10-core Mac Pro easily…
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- KVRAF
- 6209 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Finding this a little strange, M1 compatibility has really started to Ramp up, IK just ported SampleTank, Arturia ported their entire line up of over 30 instruments and dozens of FX.
Glenn Olander is still active, works for Spectrassonics I believe, He occasionally keeps Crystal up to date, wouldn't doubt he ports it at some point.
Glenn Olander is still active, works for Spectrassonics I believe, He occasionally keeps Crystal up to date, wouldn't doubt he ports it at some point.
- KVRAF
- 5505 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
There are a few that I have that are indespensible that I am worried about: Relab LX480, Parallax-Audio Virtual Sound Stage 2, and PG-8X.
I am particularly concerned about these because they don’t even support VST3, which I take as a bad sign.
I have already written off PhoenixVerb because iZotope (the worst audio company since Roger Nichols Digital) has made it clear they have killed it off. I’ve found Acon Digital Verberate is an adequate replacement.
I am particularly concerned about these because they don’t even support VST3, which I take as a bad sign.
I have already written off PhoenixVerb because iZotope (the worst audio company since Roger Nichols Digital) has made it clear they have killed it off. I’ve found Acon Digital Verberate is an adequate replacement.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
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- KVRAF
- 6461 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
I don't feel mess at all. I'm pretty much 90% running native and i can do more on a 13" laptop than i could do on a desktop 3 years ago. Some like fabfilter were running native before my mbp even shipped a year ago.chk071 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:16 pmThat's the best anyway. Look at this bloody mess Apple created for developers and users. Microsoft always was about compatibility, although Windows 11 is a bit of a blow for that. Nonetheless, it probably will never be like with Apple, i.e. that they excercise full control over the user's hardware.
Dunno how developers are, seen a few that were disgruntled, seen a few that were impressed by sheer power these chips hold in such package.
i'd much rather have that than drag dependencies from decades ago just so i can open some abandoned piece of code.
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- KVRAF
- 35428 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Well, one thing is for sure: Windows 11 is not supported on CPU's which are older than, like, 4 years ago, or mainboards which don't have TPM 2.0, or which can't be outfitted with a soft TPM.BONES wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:14 amSays who? Can you name even one compatibility issue anyone has had that can't be fixed by installing the latest driver? I've read about performance issues and issues with Windows 11 itself but I am unaware of any compatibility issues from anyone, even after searching for problems on line.
Windows 10 ran on any kind of hardware, if it was fast enough to give you a good experience. Who knows what Microsoft will imprint with the next version of Windows. They seem to want to boost the desktop and laptop market, along with the OEM's. Otherwise such synthetic system requirements are not understandable.
- KVRAF
- 1748 posts since 2 Jul, 2018
I can confirm that Windows 11 works extremely well, fast and is very stable. I run it on my gaming PC since the developer-beta was available. Meanwhile all (minor) issues that I experienced were fixed from Microsoft's side. I also did not experience any serious problems with the drivers.chk071 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:19 amBONES wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:14 amSays who? Can you name even one compatibility issue anyone has had that can't be fixed by installing the latest driver? I've read about performance issues and issues with Windows 11 itself but I am unaware of any compatibility issues from anyone, even after searching for problems on line.
Microsoft takes big attention on keeping everything compatibe. During the last 10 years we did not experience a single compatibility issue with our plugins after a new Windows version was released.
TPM is available on large parts of the more modern mainboards. However, some more exotic CPU seem to be unsupported by Win11. You may have to activate TPM in in the BIOS. There are also ways to bypass the TPM check. But I do not recommend this, since it is not sure that you'll receive Windows upgrades when doing this.
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- KVRAF
- 35428 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
If you have current hardware, then Windows 11 is compatible. If you run a below 8the gen Intel or AMD equivalent, you're out of luck.
Windows 11 itself should be as compatible as ever, of course, if you run it on current hardware. After all, there hasn't been much changed since Windows 10. Apart from the (syntheitcally imposed) system requirements, which require you to buy a new computer, if you bought your current one more than 4 years ago. Tough luck.
Windows 11 itself should be as compatible as ever, of course, if you run it on current hardware. After all, there hasn't been much changed since Windows 10. Apart from the (syntheitcally imposed) system requirements, which require you to buy a new computer, if you bought your current one more than 4 years ago. Tough luck.
- KVRAF
- 1748 posts since 2 Jul, 2018
Windows 11 does not require TPM 2.0. TPM 1.2 is sufficient. This one is available on nearly all CPUs/Mainboards, except they are very old.chk071 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:18 am If you have current hardware, then Windows 11 is compatible. If you run a below 8the gen Intel or AMD equivalent, you're out of luck.
Windows 11 itself should be as compatible as ever, of course, if you run it on current hardware. After all, there hasn't been much changed since Windows 10. Apart from the (syntheitcally imposed) system requirements, which require you to buy a new computer, if you bought your current one more than 4 years ago. Tough luck.
They enforce TPM because of security reasons. With TPM it is be much more difficult for ransomware to encrypt the harddisc.
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