Nexus 3 Users: Are you planning to upgrade to Nexus 4 now?

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Are you planning to upgrade to Nexus 4 now?

Yes
13
13%
No
90
87%
 
Total votes: 103

noiseboyuk
KVRAF
3588 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:30 am

GJK wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:35 am
Many good effects have been added including a shimmer verb on the front panel as well as major workflow improvements to the librarian, sequencer (control over the arp of each layer, etc)
Well see, let's unpack that for a minute and look at their claims. I have control of the arp of each layer on N3, it was one of the big selling points. There do seem to be some useful tweaks in the arp - it's very clumsy in use in N3 - but I don't get their headline claim that control over each layer is anything new.

The Librarian. The first two bullet points - "Featuring three columns for easy navigation. Counters for folders, categories, and presets to give you an overview at a glance". Lovely! And exactly what I have in N3.

Similarly, the first bullet point in the effects is "Full visualization of the signal-flow for real-time feedback". Like... in N3! The signal flow is clearly there. Again, there's a few new useful things - two new effects I think - but overall their blurb seems to me telling me that I really must have this great new feature that I already have.

This goes to the heart of why - as I type - 84% are not persuaded to upgrade. The feature list is so light, they have to lead with features we already have. Most can see through this pretty quickly. I think for new customers N4 represents a solid buy, just as N3 did with an extra 1% of fairy dust on top. For upgraders - nah.
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DanielPL
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122 posts since 30 Apr, 2020 from the underground

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:14 am

It's all is looking like made quickly, maybe not enough thought out, for example: those missing presets from free Christmas pack, promo images on the main website still showing Nexus 3, others...
nexus4_but_3.jpg
source: https://refx.com/nexus/ at the 02.12.2021 1PM GMT
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noiseboyuk
KVRAF
3588 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:24 am

Yes, good spot- that's kinda hilarious - they're selling N4 using the features that are already in N3, and look here you can see how great it is whoops it's actually N3 and we couldn't tell the difference. Also the 260 new presets aren't tagged, another sign of it being rushed.

Everything ok over there, do you think?
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zvenx
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10513 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:27 am

I think they are tagged now..


For those of you who have refx license whose kvr profile makes it easy to figure out who you are.
Be careful what you say here...

rsp
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noiseboyuk
KVRAF
3588 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:01 am

Glad they tagged, better late than never.
zvenx wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:27 am
For those of you who have refx license whose kvr profile makes it easy to figure out who you are.
Be careful what you say here...
I'm sorta aware of that possibility.

I've posted for years about Nexus, mostly really positive. I've always accepted it as a ROMpler, and it has its place in the world. N3 was a huge step up from N2 - plenty dissed it, I was very positive. I like the CP even. So that's the context for saying what I say now. I'm a long time user who feels they've dropped the ball here. If I'm not allowed to say that - oh well.

But here's what I won't do - I won't bombard them with complaints. Or even make one complaint. There's no point - they're not making me buy this. Either their sales will suffer or they won't. Either they'll address the issues or they won't.
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Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
3505 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:11 am

I put down no even though I'm not a nexus user at all. I have played around at friends' places with it and I would grab it if I had a large job that called for a ton of "pop" electronic EDM tracks. Otherwise I feel there's not much in there that I couldn't whip up with stuff I already have. The "new features" in V4 wouldn't be enough for me to update much of anything unless it was like a $20 type situation.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.

Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
3505 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:12 am

vertibration wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:47 am
DAMN $440......You can get some nice hardware synths for that
Or some better VSTs.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.

tony10000
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1193 posts since 4 Aug, 2017

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:45 am

zvenx wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:27 am
I think they are tagged now..


For those of you who have refx license whose kvr profile makes it easy to figure out who you are.
Be careful what you say here...

rsp
Why is that?

m-ac
KVRian
737 posts since 18 Dec, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am

tony10000 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:45 am
zvenx wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:27 am
I think they are tagged now..


For those of you who have refx license whose kvr profile makes it easy to figure out who you are.
Be careful what you say here...

rsp
Why is that?
Because one day you'll find your license revoked.

noiseboyuk
KVRAF
3588 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:57 am

m-ac wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am
Because one day you'll find your license revoked.
I think going that far would be illegal - as far as I understand it they have very occasionally blocked people and stopped them buying anything new. Again - AFAIK - that was due to direct support correspondence, not normal forum back and forth.
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Ah_Dziz
KVRAF
3505 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:18 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:57 am
m-ac wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am
Because one day you'll find your license revoked.
I think going that far would be illegal - as far as I understand it they have very occasionally blocked people and stopped them buying anything new. Again - AFAIK - that was due to direct support correspondence, not normal forum back and forth.
That would be fully illegal without full monetary reimbursement unless it's a subscription setup. Them they could just say "you can't renew your subscription when it expires". This is the reason I can't do subscription based software.

I'm less likely to ever consider getting into Nexus if they really are screwing with people like that. There's plenty of cool stuff out there without weirdness.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.

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zvenx
KVRAF
10513 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:57 am
m-ac wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am
Because one day you'll find your license revoked.
I think going that far would be illegal - as far as I understand it they have very occasionally blocked people and stopped them buying anything new. Again - AFAIK - that was due to direct support correspondence, not normal forum back and forth.
Nope.
My n3 license was revoked and I am banned from purchasing anything on their site.
I was told I opened too many tickets and bad talked nexus too much on kvr.
Still have my n2 licenses though.
Rsp
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zvenx
KVRAF
10513 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:21 am

Ah_Dziz wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:18 am
noiseboyuk wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:57 am
m-ac wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:50 am
Because one day you'll find your license revoked.
I did get back my n3 upgrade fee.
Rsp


I think going that far would be illegal - as far as I understand it they have very occasionally blocked people and stopped them buying anything new. Again - AFAIK - that was due to direct support correspondence, not normal forum back and forth.
That would be fully illegal without full monetary reimbursement unless it's a subscription setup. Them they could just say "you can't renew your subscription when it expires". This is the reason I can't do subscription based software.

I'm less likely to ever consider getting into Nexus if they really are screwing with people like that. There's plenty of cool stuff out there without weirdness.
I was refunded my N3 upgrade fee.
Rsp
sound sculptist

Goony
KVRist
87 posts since 1 Feb, 2015

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:26 am

I wont be 'upgrading' from N3 to N4, whilst I like N3, N4 doesnt justify the cost. N3 now uninstalled and gone.
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noiseboyuk
KVRAF
3588 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:39 am

zvenx wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:21 am
I was refunded my N3 upgrade fee.
What a truly bizarre thing they did. But I don't think they could do that in many cases. For example, I traded in my N2 license to swap for an expansion. So if they were so minded to stop me using N3, they'd have to refund me everything I ever had - which I think is spectacularly unlikely. In your case you could still use everything in its N2 form, they'd be stopping me being able to access old songs etc.

But - I think we're over-escalating/speculating here. This did come from your 1-1 support issues, I think the forum thing was a bit of extra ammo. AFAIK they've never hounded down a customer who said an upgrade doesn't represent good value on a forum.
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