Kick 2 - worth it?

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PieBerger
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1298 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:59 am

pixel85 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:36 am
PieBerger wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:48 am
pixel85 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:17 am
Making your own kick is often more easy than searching through 500 samples (which can be super uninspiring when you search for too long).
This is why it's a good idea to spend some time to curate a library of quality kicks that fit your tastes. I really like the Foundations kicks, they are perfect for my style, as are some of the kicks from the Progressive (Zenhiser) pack made by Sinerider/Divination. Put them all in a Rack, spread them one per layer and then map the Selector slider to a Rack macro and scanning through samples is a piece of cake, even more so when used with a good scope and Voxengo PHA-979. Find something that is close, tweak the phase and boom, you're done!
I checked many kick libraries over the years. I don't like 99% of them. Also tweaking let's say last 20ms of sample to match it with phase of the bass is not that easy as doing it by synthesis.
I was the same, so I tried making my own, until the aforementioned came along which were a perfect fit for my tastes, I guess I got lucky then :)

I use PHA-979 to adjust the phase for a good relationship between kick and first 16th. I wish I enjoyed making kicks more, because the control from synthesis is the best, but I find it so dull and uninspiring :neutral:
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collider
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270 posts since 14 Jun, 2018

Post Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:29 am

Making my own kicks is a integral part of my sound. When you really understand how to shape kicks, it's awesome. I try to synthesize all of my sound - I don't like to use samples.

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3487 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:24 am

I just bought this (Transgressor 2 on sale) and I saw this video the other day and it looks like a great tool for kicks actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wgQxO ... e=emb_logo
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4384 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:43 pm

Got Kick 2 yesterday, without turning off the demo :D. Very streamlined and effective kick design. Of course you could do it with other synths, layering clicks and so on - but here everything is on one screen, easily accessible.

Finally can create powerful trance kicks I always needed :) World, here I come!
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Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:58 am

Kick 2 is very powerful. For example, you can synthesis the disperser/all pass phase effect on the transient (all though not to the extreme degrees permitted by all pass EQ). What I like is learning how to create the kicks you like by loading a sample into the click slot (lots of clicks are actually just the initial transient of a kick sample) and then using the synthesis tools to recreate the body, this time with whatever tuning and pitch envelope you want.

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Held
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579 posts since 3 Jan, 2020

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:13 pm

I just bought Kick 2 and I love it. And you can create other kind of percussive sounds too. There are so many ways you can play with the harmonics and pitch envelope to create interesting results. Fun!

They only thing I would like is a click generator instead of having to rely on samples.
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194 posts since 25 Apr, 2021

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:04 am

collider wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:29 am
Making my own kicks is a integral part of my sound. When you really understand how to shape kicks, it's awesome. I try to synthesize all of my sound - I don't like to use samples.
Not all synths can make good kicks. Maybe just a few can do this precisely - those with veeery fast envelopes. Dedicated synths are optimized for this tasks.

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] Peter:H [
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1453 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:44 am

collider wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:29 am
Making my own kicks is a integral part of my sound. When you really understand how to shape kicks, it's awesome. I try to synthesize all of my sound - I don't like to use samples.
Hm!? Kick-2 does synthesize hugh parts of it's kicks.
Most presets I know consist of a.) a sample transient, yes true but b.) a synthsized body with pitch envelope, volume envelope and c.) the whole sound can be treated with various processors. So I think it's the best of both worlds...
But true. If you want to follow some of these hardstyle tutorials where there's endless chains of Sample-EQ-Distortion/Folding/Waveshaping-EQ-Bounce-Repeat then Kick-2 is not for you.

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LeVzi
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4070 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:53 am

Kick 2 is good , once you get your head around how it works, and the way the envelopes work.

I use it and I use Punchbox, both are good.

I bought a preset pack for Kick 2 from SA, and it was cr@p so beware them, best stick to your own inventions.
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1870 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:31 am

I bought the OST Meyer presets and they are pretty good.

collider
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270 posts since 14 Jun, 2018

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:47 am

] Peter:H [ wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:44 am
collider wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:29 am
Making my own kicks is a integral part of my sound. When you really understand how to shape kicks, it's awesome. I try to synthesize all of my sound - I don't like to use samples.
Hm!? Kick-2 does synthesize hugh parts of it's kicks.
Most presets I know consist of a.) a sample transient, yes true but b.) a synthsized body with pitch envelope, volume envelope and c.) the whole sound can be treated with various processors. So I think it's the best of both worlds...
But true. If you want to follow some of these hardstyle tutorials where there's endless chains of Sample-EQ-Distortion/Folding/Waveshaping-EQ-Bounce-Repeat then Kick-2 is not for you.
I was talking about sample packs full of processed kicks that you just drag and drop. Not about using Kick 2. Kick 2 is my favorite kickdrum plugin.

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] Peter:H [
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1453 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 am

collider wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:47 am
] Peter:H [ wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:44 am
collider wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:29 am
Making my own kicks is a integral part of my sound. When you really understand how to shape kicks, it's awesome. I try to synthesize all of my sound - I don't like to use samples.
Hm!? Kick-2 does synthesize hugh parts of it's kicks.
Most presets I know consist of a.) a sample transient, yes true but b.) a synthsized body with pitch envelope, volume envelope and c.) the whole sound can be treated with various processors. So I think it's the best of both worlds...
But true. If you want to follow some of these hardstyle tutorials where there's endless chains of Sample-EQ-Distortion/Folding/Waveshaping-EQ-Bounce-Repeat then Kick-2 is not for you.
I was talking about sample packs full of processed kicks that you just drag and drop. Not about using Kick 2. Kick 2 is my favorite kickdrum plugin.
Sorry ... did not read carefully enough. me - wall :bang:

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