Generative Instruments & Sequencers - why no VST versions?

VST, AU, AAX, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion
Deadzone_Music
KVRer
5 posts since 11 Oct, 2021

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 pm

Just saw the new Nasca Soundscape Synthesizer on KVR (https://www.kvraudio.com/product/nasca- ... tive-tools ) which looks incredibly awesome.

...but then I see it's standalone only. Same with all the other products from this developer. :(

Awhile back I looked into using Nodal (https://www.kvraudio.com/product/nodal- ... university ) which is also standalone only. :ud:

Someone wanna tell these guys its not 1998 anymore and most people want to make music in a DAW...

Are there any other generative software that IS available in vst format?

xbow
KVRist
130 posts since 8 Apr, 2020

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:44 am

Deadzone_Music wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 pm
Just saw the new Nasca Soundscape Synthesizer on KVR (https://www.kvraudio.com/product/nasca- ... tive-tools ) which looks incredibly awesome.

...but then I see it's standalone only. Same with all the other products from this developer. :(

Awhile back I looked into using Nodal (https://www.kvraudio.com/product/nodal- ... university ) which is also standalone only. :ud:

Someone wanna tell these guys its not 1998 anymore and most people want to make music in a DAW...

Are there any other generative software that IS available in vst format?
HY-Plugins has some interesting sequencers. Like HY-RPE2 and HY-SeqCollection2 (the free version with "Hexa" is pretty interesting for generative music I think). These plugins may look more conventional on the surface, certainly not as wild as the examples you posted, but you can modulate almost everything with LFOs.

Also, have you looked at SugarBytes? I haven't tried their products, but among others, the Orbiter in Aparillo looks interesting.

And with the release of VCV Rack 2, there is a paid VST version which will let you use a wide variety of modules in your DAW, e.g. those by Sha#Bang!

Also, you could always get a virtual midi cable and route the midi from a standalone application into your DAW.

User avatar
ChamomileShark
KVRAF
2303 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:20 am

It seems to be the way of these things, don't know why.

Another Sugar Bytes VST to look at would be Obscurium.
https://sugar-bytes.de/obscurium

Deadzone_Music
KVRer

Topic Starter

5 posts since 11 Oct, 2021

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:15 am

xbow wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:44 am

HY-Plugins has some interesting sequencers. Like HY-RPE2 and HY-SeqCollection2 (the free version with "Hexa" is pretty interesting for generative music I think). These plugins may look more conventional on the surface, certainly not as wild as the examples you posted, but you can modulate almost everything with LFOs.

Also, have you looked at SugarBytes? I haven't tried their products, but among others, the Orbiter in Aparillo looks interesting.

And with the release of VCV Rack 2, there is a paid VST version which will let you use a wide variety of modules in your DAW, e.g. those by Sha#Bang!

Also, you could always get a virtual midi cable and route the midi from a standalone application into your DAW.
I'll check out the HY and SugarBytes plugins, although those are a bit less exciting :/

Also, I don't think a virtual midi cable would work because Nasca generates audio inside the application. Even if I did find some way to route the midi/audio into my DAW, I wouldn't be able to save those settings in my projects and it would end up one confusing mess.

fairlyclose
KVRAF
1968 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:46 am

Deleted
Last edited by fairlyclose on Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:28 pm, edited 3 times in total.

vulpes777
KVRist
45 posts since 29 Mar, 2021

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:49 am

Give Transition a try; it's pure generative mayhem, and it's free:

https://www.codefn42.com/transition/index.html

Regards,

--
Marco

User avatar
pdxindy
KVRAF
20917 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:53 am

What DAW do you use?

VCV Rack 2 is just released and I am sure you could do lots of generative stuff with it. It functions as a VST.

Then there is Reason which can be a plugin as well.

I use Bitwig as my DAW and it has endless generative possibilities built right in with the Grid and all the Note FX devices.

User avatar
WasteLand
KVRAF
2226 posts since 8 Jun, 2018

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:02 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:53 am
What DAW do you use?

VCV Rack 2 is just released and I am sure you could do lots of generative stuff with it. It functions as a VST.

Then there is Reason which can be a plugin as well.

I use Bitwig as my DAW and it has endless generative possibilities built right in with the Grid and all the Note FX devices.
indeed soft modulars like VCV Rack 2 Pro, or Voltage Modular or Reaktor, are of course thé generative instruments. as Reason, but, well enough RE's, but for full fledged generative seqeuncing, a soft modular plugin.

and having bitwig helps also, but Modulat for Ableton will also work, with K-Devices Modular 21, etc.
but bitwig has a lot built-in.

so enough solution in any price range, and ecosystem.
take me as apple as reed-son as flesh-icon, immediately
shits the wise man. hero and blind. take me as
stick as tongue as dog... Music & Soundscraping

User avatar
mladi
KVRian
1409 posts since 14 Apr, 2016 from Germany

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:08 pm

Deadzone_Music wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 pm
Someone wanna tell these guys its not 1998 anymore and most people want to make music in a DAW...
I'm pretty sure they are aware of it. :roll:

It's free stuff fyi.
Image
Intel® Core™ i9-9900K•Cubase 11•Presonus Eris E8 XT•Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 & Octopre•NI Kontrol S61 MK2•Stein­berg CC121•Synthesizers: Arturia Casio Korg Roland Yamaha

Neon Breath
KVRAF
4040 posts since 15 Sep, 2010

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:38 pm

Reaktor has hundreds of generative experimental ensembles in the user library.
__________________________________________________
http://redfog-drone.bandcamp.com
http://soundcloud.com/sleeping-on-lotus-ashes
__________________________________________________

Deadzone_Music
KVRer

Topic Starter

5 posts since 11 Oct, 2021

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:54 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:53 am
What DAW do you use?

VCV Rack 2 is just released and I am sure you could do lots of generative stuff with it. It functions as a VST.

Then there is Reason which can be a plugin as well.

I use Bitwig as my DAW and it has endless generative possibilities built right in with the Grid and all the Note FX devices.
I use FL Studio, but I have the Reason Rack plugin, so I'll see what kind of instruments are available for that as well as for Kontakt/Reaktor as others have suggested.

I know the modular style plugins can be very powerful and useful, but they just aren't for me. Just looking at that thing with those dozens of cables going everywhere makes my head hurt. Glad for whoever likes them though.

Deadzone_Music
KVRer

Topic Starter

5 posts since 11 Oct, 2021

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:56 pm

mladi wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:08 pm
Deadzone_Music wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 pm
Someone wanna tell these guys its not 1998 anymore and most people want to make music in a DAW...
I'm pretty sure they are aware of it. :roll:

It's free stuff fyi.
Nodal 2.0 costs $60, which would be well worth it for a VST.

The 2GMT instruments are free, but I would happily pay a decent amount for VST versions of those also.

Return to “Instruments”