vst guitar vs real thing

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Janmazur27
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2 posts since 21 Jan, 2022

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:45 am

vunn wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:28 am so im learning how to produce on a couple
of songs i can play the keyboard a bit have a basic understanding of theroy
and i can strum an acoustic
i want some guitar strumming chugging etc and i also like the shoegazey chorusey washed out guitar sound and clean 80s sound.

now the question should i get a vst to do this do you think ? like ujam or reason a list guitarist ( reason user)
or should i pull out the cheap guitar i bought a week ago i mean im 41 how long will it take before i can record some chugging or chords in my music like i said i can strum open chords on an acoustic
whats your advice time is against me
because i still have dreams...
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Henry Jimdrix
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3308 posts since 16 May, 2020 from The High Temple

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:18 am

It's true
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mixyguy2
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322 posts since 2 Mar, 2018

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:45 pm

vunn wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:28 am so im learning how to produce on a couple
of songs i can play the keyboard a bit have a basic understanding of theroy
and i can strum an acoustic
i want some guitar strumming chugging etc and i also like the shoegazey chorusey washed out guitar sound and clean 80s sound.

now the question should i get a vst to do this do you think ? like ujam or reason a list guitarist ( reason user)
or should i pull out the cheap guitar i bought a week ago i mean im 41 how long will it take before i can record some chugging or chords in my music like i said i can strum open chords on an acoustic
whats your advice time is against me
because i still have dreams...
As you can see, there's no pat answer. Since you play keyboards, you might save time getting a good guitar VST (Ample Sound has an excellent free one FYI; if you're willing to pay, I'd look at Orange Tree). Of course just sounding like a guitar is one thing, playing like a guitarist quite another, as guitar players don't play notes like keyboardists do.

But if you're willing to put in the time to improve and aren't trying to do anything crazy, it might be worth the effort to brush up and play a "real" guitar. Really it's something no one here can answer.

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BONES
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Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:38 pm

Do you idiots realise this thread is a year old and the guy you are giving advice to is banned?
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Musical Gym
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5639 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1

Post Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:02 pm

cryophonik wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:41 am Why not both? Layer the software version with your strumming to get a more organic sound.
Interesting idea; might try that.

Henry Jimdrix
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3308 posts since 16 May, 2020 from The High Temple

Post Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:09 am

BONES wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:38 pm Do you idiots realise this thread is a year old and the guy you are giving advice to is banned?
I got here via time travel. Your reply does not exist yet.
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Musical Gym
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5639 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1

Post Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:09 am

Welcome back. How was the dump?

Henry Jimdrix
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Post Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:20 am

Musical Gym wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:09 am Welcome back. How was the dump?
It was good, I gave birth to a beautiful big brown baby boy.
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tapper mike
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6259 posts since 20 Jan, 2008

Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:59 am

This is one of those threads that go nowhere.

Guitar playing is less about theory than it is about technique. How the guitarist crafts the sound via note articulation. Picking techniques pick location and more go into the nuance of playing as well the tuning approach and a myriad of other things. A patchwork of vst plugins effects will never replace the technique in performance. In fact if you are truely dedicated to recreating actual technique it would take you considerably longer to produce a final recording via production means than simply mastering the techniques. The same can be said for all non keyboard instruments. Does that mean you can't achieve a credible song without having to master the guitar. Well that will always be subject to interpretation.

I'll never hear a vst that sounds like Chet Baker or Merle Travis or Kent Nishimura
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Dividing yourself between mediums will never let you master anything. You'll prolly just find yourself stumbling over the same issues again and again. I've fallen into this trap as well. That's why I've chosen to develop one core methodology and get better at that letting all else go. YMMV
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Bombadil
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7496 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Down the Withywindle

Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:17 am

Yeah, I've never been able to do a proper mockup with classical instrument VIs. It would be easier and faster for me to learn the basics of the cello.
Or, ask a neighbour who plays the real deal. At least, in the 'Before Times.'
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vurt
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Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:28 am

Bombadil wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:17 am Yeah, I've never been able to do a proper mockup with classical instrument VIs. It would be easier and faster for me to learn the basics of the cello.
Or, ask a neighbour who plays the real deal. At least, in the 'Before Times.'
cello is easy, just rub the hairy bit of the stick on the strings, sorted!
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vurt
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Post Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:29 am

or, you can use a "bow" of course.
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Ah_Dziz
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3602 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Post Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:13 am

I do most of my lead stuff with Orange tree Samples' libraries. For rhythm i often layer my own crappy playing over some vst stuff ( I find rhythm to be trickier to program and if yer playing simple chords it is not hard to get a decent sound). I've never had anyone notice that any of the guitar was faked or partially fake.
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Mister Natural
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2736 posts since 28 Oct, 2007 from michigan

Post Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:39 am

I can always hear when it's a key-player trying to sound like a guitarist. So obvious
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mumpcake
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1951 posts since 27 Aug, 2004

Post Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:38 pm

My acoustic sucks for direct recording and my DAW is next to the furnace, so I need to rely on other options.

I like the NI session guitarists. They sound pretty good and have a decent amount of Strum patterns.

I also have the AAS Strum instrument. It's terrible for electric guitar, but the acoustic instruments can sound passable.
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