KVR Audio

secret_man · Post by **secret_man** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:41 am

The biggest disappointment in 20 years of using plugins is that no Physical Modeling plugins ever came out except Chromaphone and PianoTeq and maybe the old Kaivo and barely anything else. Maybe SWAM which also used samples. There's a Korg Prophecy plugin and it's strange that emulating a 25 year old Korg somehow has more advanced physical modeling than the plugins we have today for our monster PCs... What the hell?

What happened, how did this turn out so bad? Is it just because people only want to spend money on regular subtractive or wavetable synths? Or is it because physical modeling is too difficult for the developers and none were really smart enough to make good models?

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:02 am

Modo bass and drums too
Most seam instruments are pure physical modeling
They’re that other one that does wind and brass kinda stuff too. Forgetting the name.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:16 am

Physmod does require extensive R&D, way more than other synthesis methods. And it's usually not that easy to use since parameterization is completely different and not something most people are used to.

Anyways... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ao ... ynthesizer

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:17 am

Respiro, which is great

Also Plasmonic and Reaktor has some good modelled instruments- particular those by Chet Singer

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:32 am

EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:16 am Physmod does require extensive R&D, way more than other synthesis methods. And it's usually not that easy to use since parameterization is completely different and not something most people are used to.

Anyways... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ao ... ynthesizer

It also makes things like Diva look like a dilettante when it comes to CPU usage. It's only recently that we can actually run like Chromaphone.

Don't forget to add Modelonia to the list of PM synths, in all its odd glory.

Finally, I think the sight of Sculpture scared off all the early adopters...

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:34 am

syntonica wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:32 amIt also makes things like Diva look like a dilettante when it comes to CPU usage.

Very different requirements for the DSP, though. Pianoteq can also chomp quite some CPU depending on how densely you play it.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:32 am

Logic Pro Sculpture!

MRT · Post by **MRT** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:12 pm

GSi just re-released Solo Trumpet. Haven't played with the new one yet, but the original is killer.

https://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=56

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:28 pm

Low hanging fruit for devs to throw out another VA or WT with essentially just an updated skin and a lot of reused code...if we keep buying 'em, they will keep churning them out!

anttimaatteri · Post by **anttimaatteri** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:33 pm

maybe theyre just a niche product atm. many users may use sample based solutions to get the original sound synthesized. while i myself am a total sucker of that artifical phy mod sounds, which always seem to be out of a sonic twilight zone

. phy mod and fm are king ^^

BazJacuzzi · Post by **BazJacuzzi** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:42 pm

Take a look at Physical Audio physicalaudio.co.uk they've got a couple of interesting instruments, low CPU too.

AAS have a few string modelled instruments as well.

Agree this is an underexplored area. We're drowning in subtractive synthesis, but only a handful of PM instruments.

rafa1981 · Post by **rafa1981** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:17 pm

How is it with patents?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:40 pm

BazJacuzzi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:42 pm AAS have a few string modelled instruments as well.

AAS arent a great example, given that they've basically been recycling Tassman for 15+ years.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:42 pm

BazJacuzzi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:42 pmWe're drowning in subtractive synthesis, but only a handful of PM instruments.

There's plenty of PM of electronics across those substractive synthesis instruments.

What there's only a handful of is PM of acoustic and electromagnetic instruments.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:53 pm

Mentioned once, but to emphasize it: wouldn't Plasmonic fit the bill - it's new, PM, and has great pedigree:

https://rhizomatic.fr/

Also, Prism (for Reaktor) is getting older but it's still pretty awesome once you wrap your head around it (but again, Reaktor...)