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MrJubbly wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:03 pm I do like the sounds of some of Cherry Audio's synths. However, issues for me are that they seem to be too CPU-hogging, with a lack of multicore support to help mitigate that. And this latest synth seems to mandate x1 oversampling 'always on' for even the lowest quality setting of the plugin. So I had to pass on this.

Note: I'm only comparing the performance of their synths like GX-80 and Eight Voice by comparison to some of my other better CPU performing equivalent synths that I own, such as Gforce OB-E/SEM, u-he Diva and Repros.

If Cherry Audio could improve the performance and add options to mitigate high CPU, like multicore, ability to disable oversampling, and polyphony-locking, etc. I'd give them another chance.
Have those of you with CPU load issues with Cherry audio products considered that you might be using too slow a computer? Not all computers are like yours. There is a huge range of performance when it comes to computers in common use. As an audio software company, Cherry has to make decisions on what machines to support - there is no "right" way - it's a business decision really. I personally perfer Cherry's approach of aiming for higher performance machines to bring about a better quality product. And, I am using a 12 year old mac and I have all their synths and they work fine in production for me. Sure, I may have to track with 1x OS but I always (when possible) render everything at 96k. Maybe consider getting a faster machine so you can use these modern tools.

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I like Cherries!

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More cherries to the people!
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Cherries are yummy!
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Hm. I don’t really use their standalone synths very much, but only because I’ve been focused on VM. But yeah, it kind of beats my M1 Mac mini silly in cpu usage. For some reason, the PSP modules are some of the most demanding ones.

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teilo wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:46 pm All of Cherry's plugins that had the above path bug in Ventura are now updated. This was clearly a cross-platform pathing bug, since Windows uses backslashes.

The synths were all updated as of 12\15 (sorry, couldn't help myself). Yesterday they updated Rackmode and Stardust, the only two left.

Once you install them, delete every one of those folders that begin with "Library\". You will need to reauthorize the plugins.
Bugged me so much. Just updated all and deleted the folders. Hope they never come back
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plexuss wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:06 pm Have those of you with CPU load issues with Cherry audio products considered that you might be using too slow a computer? Not all computers are like yours. There is a huge range of performance when it comes to computers in common use.
This sounds like me a few years back prior to my last computer upgrade. I noticed that several recently released synths (not Cherry Audio) at the time were hogs on my system. They required mitigation strategies to run them well, such as keeping polyphony and/or the number of instances low, increasing audio buffers or freezing tracks. Otherwise I would get CPU overloads, audio engine drops, and/or pops & crackles. But it would still run older synths just fine.

Then I updated to a newer gen PC that can run almost anything without issues, unless I deliberately design a patch to overload it. Some synths will allow you to keep adding stuff until you reach the breaking point, and there isn't much you can do in that case except dial it back some. But it was a nice change to be able to run any synth I want without fear of instant overload!

There will always be advances in software, especially with virtual synths. It is probably a common design decision by developers to build and test new synths using the latest OS and hardware to achieve new processing capabilities. Any optimizations should be made where possible, but there is a limit to how much that can help older systems. To run the latest gen software with ease, it makes sense to have the latest gen hardware.
Windows 10 and too many plugins

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zzz00m wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:03 pm There will always be advances in software, especially with virtual synths. It is probably a common design decision by developers to build and test new synths using the latest OS and hardware to achieve new processing capabilities.

Any optimizations should be made where possible, but there is a limit to how much that can help older systems. To run the latest gen software with ease, it makes sense to have the latest gen hardware.
Which is kind of my main issue with the Cherry stuff ... There are no optimisation, or effective 'efficiency' options provided. Which is fine. However, it simply means they narrow their potential customer base to those who have upgraded their PCs more recently.

It just struck me that their business strategy seems rather odd and illogical, in that ... They sell 'much cheaper' alternative plugins than their nearest completion. Which suggests Cherry are perhaps targeting a customer base, that skews a little more towards customers who 'may' be operating on a tighter budget than others.

And yet their plugins themselves seem to be targeted conversely, mainly due to Cherry's decision to not include any real CPU efficiency options, therefore largely eliminating support for older computers.

Strange because, even Cherry's more expensive, top-of-the-line, direct rivals and competitors, will usually include these kind of CPU management features as standard. Narrowing Cherry's potential customer base almost exclusively, to users who have updated their CPUs to a modern higher-spec rig quite recently.

I'd almost expect that type of strategy, more from Cherry's 'high-end-consumer' competition, who tend to charge a 'premium' for their plugins.

So, it leaves me with the overall impression: Cherry Audio: A talented developer, who specialises in creating nice-sounding (cheap-alternative) budget plugins, but primarily only for those users with a high end modern PC setup.

Hey, if it works for them, it works, right? Who am I to suggest it can't. So more power to these guys, since whatever way you look at it, it's always good to have more competition in the marketplace. Even those with out-of-the-box business strategies. :)

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I really like the Cherry audio stuff but it does hammer the PC so I don't use them

I have a 3y old PC I5 9400,32gb Ram and as you commented,there's no CPU management system on Cherry synths

In these days of the problems with the Cost of living and PC parts being high I can't upgrade my PC to use the Cherry synths

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Martkorg wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:25 pm I really like the Cherry audio stuff but it does hammer the PC so I don't use them

I have a 3y old PC I5 9400,32gb Ram
That should run Cherry Audio synths just fine. Are you using an audio interface with the manufacturer's ASIO driver?
Windows 10 and too many plugins

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zzz00m wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:36 pm
Martkorg wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:25 pm I really like the Cherry audio stuff but it does hammer the PC so I don't use them

I have a 3y old PC I5 9400,32gb Ram
That should run Cherry Audio synths just fine. Are you using an audio interface with the manufacturer's ASIO driver?
I'm using an ancient Win7 machine with 8 gigs of ram, and I don't have any problems running any of Cherry Audio's synths. I will get a new computer one of these days, but for now, it's okay. On the other hand, demos I've tried of some other softsynths either don't work well, or not at all, so sooner or later I'll have to bite the bullet.
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Some Cherry synths are damanding. I have an overclocked Ryzen 5950x and the GX-80 hits it pretty darn hard even at 128 samples with an RME raydat card which is one of the most if not most efficient audio cards / drivers in the game.


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That should run Cherry Audio synths just fine. Are you using an audio interface with the manufacturer's ASIO driver?
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I'm using an ancient Win7 machine with 8 gigs of ram, and I don't have any problems running any of Cherry Audio's synths. I will get a new computer one of these days, but for now, it's okay. On the other hand, demos I've tried of some other softsynths either don't work well, or not at all, so sooner or later I'll have to bite the bullet.
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Scotty wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:00 am Some Cherry synths are damanding. I have an overclocked Ryzen 5950x and the GX-80 hits it pretty darn hard even at 128 samples with an RME raydat card which is one of the most if not most efficient audio cards / drivers in the game.
The GX-80 can be demanding, especially depending on the patch polyphony and the oversampling rate.

I have a 9th gen Intel i5 3.7GHz, turbo to 4.6GHz, and can run GX-80 wide open by itself at 1x or 2x oversampling, but not at 3-4X. With those higher rates the audio starts breaking up due to real-time audio overload.

But the sound at 1-2x is good enough for me. It is hungry though, no doubt about that. The sound is good enough to try to make it fit though.
Windows 10 and too many plugins

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zzz00m wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:36 pm
Martkorg wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:25 pm I really like the Cherry audio stuff but it does hammer the PC so I don't use them

I have a 3y old PC I5 9400,32gb Ram
That should run Cherry Audio synths just fine. Are you using an audio interface with the manufacturer's ASIO driver?
No I am using the Soundcard ASIO - Soundblaster Z In Fl Studio ,Fl studios own ASIO is worse

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CPU performance is always tied to latency, number of voices used, and envelope release time. Some synths are optimized better than others.

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