HALion 7

[skijumptoes]

Folks, i read that H7 replace H6 - do it mean that H6 will not able to use after upgrade ? Just need clarify.

Yes, the install will replace H6. However, you will retain a H6 license on your eLicenser, and the new H7 license will be on Steinberg Licensing - the two are seperate.

So, you can roll back to H6, if required. The H6 license becomes 'not for resale'.
i.e. it cannot be used to update to H7 by a third party... As you would've already used it for that purpose.

To give a scenario - This means you could use H7 on a new machine via the new licensing and on older machine use H6 and the dongle. The same is true when updating from Absolute 5 to 6, also.

[c_voltage]

@skijumptoes Thanks, ok.

[billcarroll]

@skijumptoes Thanks, ok.

More info here:

https://forums.steinberg.net/t/about-th ... g/835383/5

HALion 7 replaces any older versions of HALion. Existing rojects usually load just fine, we have put a lot of emphasis on backward compatibility.

HALion Sonic 7 replaces all older versions of HALion Sonic. If you load a project containing HALion Sonic 3 or HALion Sonic SE 3, it will replace those instruments. This should also “just work” as we also invested a lot of work to make this seamless as possible.

EDIT: This does only count for Cubase and Nuendo! Third party DAW might still try to load old halion Sonic SE!

[BBFG#]

Folks, i read that H7 replace H6 - do it mean that H6 will not able to use after upgrade ? Just need clarify.

Wondering this myself. I'd imagine that if I were to keep separate licenses they could run side by side. Although when they gave us a separate license for H6 to keep H5 also for older projects, it does have a tendency to get "confused" and stall or freeze at times.
Saw this new free sound bank and FM engine specifically omit H6 from its specifications and also the lower versions of Windows (some say as low as 8.1 while others omit that one too.)
Everything in their download/activation managers seems to imply it wants to eradicate previous versions though.

This forcing of certain upgrades could quite possibly kill Steinberg for me.
Too bad. I really like the software.
But if they've killed using it on my machines, then I'm unfortunately done with them.

Well, personally for me important keep ability to run H6 in any form (not necessary in parallel, although i agree this is would be not a bad bonus, for comparison or more handy bug catching. But ok it's not so critical).

But, loss of access to H6 license in general, this is already not so fun. Considering probable problems in new engine, and probable time of fixing it.
Which of course would not be a reason for me to reject the upgrade at all. But in such case, I would prefer to do it much later (even will be then a sale maybe lol).

Instead, i can be close to grab it for 99 right now, if will be sure that can always back to H6 if something.

Been trying to install the trial on a clean Win 8.1 machine. Download Assistant and Activation Manager open, but with errors and will not sign in or download content. Installed H7 from a download I did on Win 10, but it doesn't open except with an error box tagging Media Bay. Which I've manually downloaded and installed as well. At this point I'm guessing my current versions could well be my last.
Absynth, Alchemy and now HALion...
<sigh>

[c_voltage]

HALion 7 replaces any older versions of HALion. Existing rojects usually load just fine, we have put a lot of emphasis on backward compatibility.

Yes tnx i seen, just this did not clarify what meant under replacing (dll/install or license too. But now i know).

Been trying to install the trial on a clean Win 8.1 machine. Download Assistant and Activation Manager open, but with errors and will not sign in or download content. Installed H7 from a download I did on Win 10, but it doesn't open except with an error box tagging Media Bay. Which I've manually downloaded and installed as well. At this point I'm guessing my current versions could well be my last.
Absynth, Alchemy and now HALion...
<sigh>

Hmm strange. Need say in latest years i did not have problems with Steinberg installations (Win10).
Was some issues with versions of factory libraries (or part of libraries), ie some mess do i should redownload it or not, but it's not so critical.
No, in general, I myself do not like all these installation managers (and here even three different managers lol), but somehow I reconciled in this case, since everything works. Plus, such well made option in their library manager (registration in place or in a specified location), pleased enough.

[felis]

Been trying to install the trial on a clean Win 8.1 machine. Download Assistant and Activation Manager open, but with errors and will not sign in or download content. Installed H7 from a download I did on Win 10, but it doesn't open except with an error box tagging Media Bay. Which I've manually downloaded and installed as well. At this point I'm guessing my current versions could well be my last.
Absynth, Alchemy and now HALion...
<sigh>

I'd say don't give up on it. Your situation might have some snags, but most people manage to get it up and running. Maybe a bit of a hassle, but I'll bet you'll be happy with it when it gets sorted out.

Edit: maybe not. I just checked the site and found this:

System requirements
Operating systems (Windows): Windows 10 (64-bit), Windows 11 (64-bit)

[Examigan]

Folks, i read that H7 replace H6 - do it mean that H6 will not able to use after upgrade ? Just need clarify.

Wondering this myself. I'd imagine that if I were to keep separate licenses they could run side by side. Although when they gave us a separate license for H6 to keep H5 also for older projects, it does have a tendency to get "confused" and stall or freeze at times.
Saw this new free sound bank and FM engine specifically omit H6 from its specifications and also the lower versions of Windows (some say as low as 8.1 while others omit that one too.)
Everything in their download/activation managers seems to imply it wants to eradicate previous versions though.

This forcing of certain upgrades could quite possibly kill Steinberg for me.
Too bad. I really like the software.
But if they've killed using it on my machines, then I'm unfortunately done with them.

Well, personally for me important keep ability to run H6 in any form (not necessary in parallel, although i agree this is would be not a bad bonus, for comparison or more handy bug catching. But ok it's not so critical).

But, loss of access to H6 license in general, this is already not so fun. Considering probable problems in new engine, and probable time of fixing it.
Which of course would not be a reason for me to reject the upgrade at all. But in such case, I would prefer to do it much later (even will be then a sale maybe lol).

Instead, i can be close to grab it for 99 right now, if will be sure that can always back to H6 if something.

Been trying to install the trial on a clean Win 8.1 machine. Download Assistant and Activation Manager open, but with errors and will not sign in or download content. Installed H7 from a download I did on Win 10, but it doesn't open except with an error box tagging Media Bay. Which I've manually downloaded and installed as well. At this point I'm guessing my current versions could well be my last.
Absynth, Alchemy and now HALion...
<sigh>

Is there a reason why you haven't put Windows 10 on that other PC?

[mothra]

There's crashes if you right click certain elements as well.. Ones which crash the DAW too:
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/fm-lab-c ... ime/834987

Found a couple of these this morning while looking for something else. I made it crash just right clicking on the little yellow 'Sample Instrument Zone' header above the editor icons on the Zone page..

[billcarroll]

There's crashes if you right click certain elements as well.. Ones which crash the DAW too:
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/fm-lab-c ... ime/834987

Found a couple of these this morning while looking for something else. I made it crash just right clicking on the little yellow 'Sample Instrument Zone' header above the editor icons on the Zone page..

Looks like Steinberg is on it.

Philippe_Bono (Steinberg)

Crash confirmed. I am filing a bug report for one of the upcoming maintenance releases. Thanks for reporting and sorry for the trouble!

[c_voltage]

Folks how about CPU usage of spectral zone oscilator, not very heavy ? Just, readed at official forum some complaint (from user with old pc it seems, but anyway).

[Weasel-Boy]

Folks how about CPU usage of spectral zone oscilator, not very heavy ? Just, readed at official forum some complaint (from user with old pc it seems, but anyway).

Engaging Multi and increasing the number of voices can easily tax the CPU. This example shown in Cubase 12, started at around 15-20% CPU usage and went up to 90-5% once those settings were used on a Macbook Pro M1 Max. So I'm guessing YMMV depending on host and platform.

Screenshot 2023-02-26 at 4.24.17 PM.png

[billcarroll]

Folks how about CPU usage of spectral zone oscilator, not very heavy ? Just, readed at official forum some complaint (from user with old pc it seems, but anyway).

Engaging Multi and increasing the number of voices can easily tax the CPU. This example shown in Cubase 12, started at around 15-20% CPU usage and went up to 90-5% once those settings were used on a Macbook Pro M1 Max. So I'm guessing YMMV depending on host and platform.
Screenshot 2023-02-26 at 4.24.17 PM.png

I did the same on my M1 Max and did not have CPU issues at all, so it's possible there were other factors. Even modulating the multi No. and many other parameters didn't give me CPU issues. I tried to push it and was surprised. This was in Cubase 12 running strictly apple silicone.

[BBFG#]

HALion 7 replaces any older versions of HALion. Existing rojects usually load just fine, we have put a lot of emphasis on backward compatibility.

Need say in latest years i did not have problems with Steinberg installations (Win10).

Neither have I, but this is specifically if it will work on my studio computer, which is Win 7.
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I just checked the site and found this:

System requirements
Operating systems (Windows): Windows 10 (64-bit), Windows 11 (64-bit)

And this is why I'm specifically trying to run the trial on 7 & 8.1 first.
So far, it seems they've done something to make sure it doesn't run on anything less than those requirements.
It's one thing to say they aren't supporting early versions, but quite another to not let us run it on any 64bit machine as before.
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Is there a reason why you haven't put Windows 10 on that other PC?

As I've posted before, I run a hybrid setup with hardware that has Win 7, Win 8, Win 8.1, and Win 10 doesn't recognize them properly.
Also was recently given an AMD 4C/8GB laptop that was upgrade from 8 to 10 that never worked right for that owner. And even after cleaning it up and setting it right, it was still pretty bad. After doing a clean install of 8.1, it runs great. Since it's the clean one, and H7 implies a complete replacement of H6, then this one is the one to try it on first before making major changes to the other machines.
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[Weasel-Boy]

I did the same on my M1 Max and did not have CPU issues at all, so it's possible there were other factors. Even modulating the multi No. and many other parameters didn't give me CPU issues. I tried to push it and was surprised. This was in Cubase 12 running strictly apple silicone.

Hmm. I’d guess that factor is that I ran my test under Rosetta. I can’t run Cubase silicon natively yet because too many key plug-ins haven’t been made the silicon jump yet. I suppose I could temp-boot natively and see if it makes a diff. I’ll let you know.

[skijumptoes]

I suppose I could temp-boot natively and see if it makes a diff. I’ll let you know.

You could just open HALion standalone