HALion 7

[digitallysane]

Does Halion include the Motif/Montage sounds?

No.

[digitallysane]

Then click the Pencil, leftmost icon in the same area.

Ohhh lovely stuff, thanks for that! I never even noticed the pencil! I think it's because it's to the left of the magnifying glass... oddly.

There IS one thing that it's not in FM Lab, and that is the new X-LFO in HALion.
Worth mentioning for those (like me) who might want to duplicate their Montage/MODX FM-X patches, since the X-LFO, I assume, could be used to emulate Motion Sequences lanes from those synths...
Of course, those can be replaced with automation from the DAW, but would have been nice to have inside the synth.

[jules99]

Is the spectral oscillator the same one as the one in padshop 2?

I know of Padshop, but I've never used it so I can't speak to that. From what I know Spectral Osc seems to be a newer technology.

[Sampleconstruct]

Is the spectral oscillator the same one as the one in padshop 2?

I know of Padshop, but I've never used it so I can't speak to that. From what I know Spectral Osc seems to be a newer technology.

Padshop uses the predecessor of the spectral oscillator, the version in H7 is more advanced, sounds better and has more features like a separate control for the volume of transients, parameters for correlation and phase, an additional spectral filter (introduced in Backbone), the accelerando parameter and more.

[aMUSEd]

The H7 one is also significantly faster

[felis]

never mind - figured it out

[tristan-]

Then click the Pencil, leftmost icon in the same area.

Ohhh lovely stuff, thanks for that! I never even noticed the pencil! I think it's because it's to the left of the magnifying glass... oddly.

There IS one thing that it's not in FM Lab, and that is the new X-LFO in HALion.
Worth mentioning for those (like me) who might want to duplicate their Montage/MODX FM-X patches, since the X-LFO, I assume, could be used to emulate Motion Sequences lanes from those synths...
Of course, those can be replaced with automation from the DAW, but would have been nice to have inside the synth.

Yes. and definitely missing from the MODX / Montage is the amount of layers. Halion gives you 4 layers of FM while the synths give you 8 layers. I wonder if it will be possible to emulate patches such as the TX816 Epiano from the Montage under this limitation.

[skijumptoes]

Yes. and definitely missing from the MODX / Montage is the amount of layers. Halion gives you 4 layers of FM while the synths give you 8 layers. I wonder if it will be possible to emulate patches such as the TX816 Epiano from the Montage under this limitation.

Montage changed the rules somewhat as to multi-timbral - it confused the hell out of me when i first got one as was so used to working within that 16 channel environment from MotifXF.

As HALion is more stuck in the 'older' 16 channel realm somewhat, it can technically give you 16x 4 layer FM set on the same MIDI Channel in a single instance - saveable as a multi. So I think you could go that route, but it's not quite the same.

Montage is very good at scaling up on large sounds like that. I do wonder what the MODX is like with it's 4 rotaries and faders, The MODX7 is really appealing but the plastic, and thought of having to jump between two banks to get to controls 5-8 just turns me off. Had the MODX8 but ended up returning it too soon to really get used to it..

[billcarroll]

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[SLiC]

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[digitallysane]

I do wonder what the MODX is like with it's 4 rotaries and faders, The MODX7 is really appealing but the plastic, and thought of having to jump between two banks to get to controls 5-8 just turns me off.

It's workable.
I would love the Montage but can't justify the cost in my case (I'm not a pro musician). MODX is great for what it is.

[tripleflows]

Yes. and definitely missing from the MODX / Montage is the amount of layers. Halion gives you 4 layers of FM while the synths give you 8 layers. I wonder if it will be possible to emulate patches such as the TX816 Epiano from the Montage under this limitation.

FM Lab has 4 layers, but HALion 7 can have any number of FM zones. The limit will be the CPU.

[tssf]

Plogue's OPS7 is less than half the price of FM Lab VST. Has anyone compared them yet?

OPS7 is meant to be the most accurate emulation of the DX7, capturing all the nuances and the warmth of the original instrument.

First time I hear of a warmth of the original instrument…
I owned one, and it was a great contrast to the warmth of analog synths…
Unfortunately OPS7 focuses on the poor quality of the first DX7 the DX7 II sounded much better… Now you know why OPS7 is so cheap…; - )

Wow I was reading through this thread and I come across this post. Looks like someone hasn't looked at the settings menu.

I know the guys who made OPS7 and spent years researching and creating an emulation of that hardware..they meticulously emulated the DX7 that it sounded near exact to hardware, but they also went so far as to include options to clean up the DAC bitrate noise, and include many different filtering options, all minus the hiss of the original hardware output. It also contains a lot of the features the MKII had going for it as well, so to insinuate that the software is shittier because it doesn't sound as "warm" as what you remember the MKII sounding is just completely wrong, and an insult to the amount of work they put into it, and at a much lower price than what they quite frankly could have originally charged for it.

Before you talk shit, perhaps you should go watch David's research video on OPS7.

EDIT: Oh and there are not too many other VSTs that utilize MDFourier to match the exact frequency response the hardware outputs with some of the filters that are available. The goal of that project was to basically make a software version of the synthesizer that everyone fell in love with back in the 80's and they did a wonderful job at it

[Tj Shredder]

I agree that my comment was exaggerated. But still I never understood why he would model the first DX7 and not the DX7 II bit accurate. For may taste Dexed was good enough already, and the enhanced FM8, DX7 V and f‘em are for going beyond and ease of programming… A bit accurate FS1R would have been also much more interesting. But I know nothing about the technical differences of those hardwares. It might have been too complex compared to the DX7 I…
Reading up MDFourier, I wonder why nobody uses that tool to compare other (analog) emulations…

[Echoes in the Attic]

So now that Halion 7 is out, is there also an updated Halion Sonic SE that comes with Cubase? Or is that the old version still?