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Is there a good emulation of AKAI Timbre Wolf?
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T-CM11 - KVRAF
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DrGonzo - KVRAF
- 3136 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
At least in terms of going out of tune
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D-Fusion
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T-CM11
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- 2850 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from Ghent, Belgium
Nothing wrong with analog purists. The more people posting online (about anything), the more bullshit (like calling personal preferences objective truths) that's being shared.
If someone really likes the AKAI Timbre Wolf: Awesome for them! Posting about it online, calling it better than something else is another matter.
And no, I don't think "this is my personal opinion" is implied. Only on a fictional (utopian?) forum full of rational people with great communication skills.
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martinjuenke
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- 6328 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Hanover, Germany
The Roland TB-303 was judged as crap synth when it first came out.
The rest is history.
And history repeats itself...
The rest is history.
And history repeats itself...
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ghettosynth
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The TB-303 was not judged as a "crap synth" when it first came out, it was judged as a "crap product" that failed at its intended used. It really wasn't viewed as a general purpose synth by, really, anyone. The TB-303, however, has interesting design properties that failed at what they intended to do but are interesting nonetheless. Those properties are why it has a unique sound and why it was eventually an in-demand unit.martinjuenke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:29 am The Roland TB-303 was judged as crap synth when it first came out.
The rest is history.
And history repeats itself...
What is technically unique about the Timbre Wolf? The only thing that really stands out to me is that it's like a really bad four-voice that can be used polyphonically. I doubt that's enough to elevate it to the status of the 303.
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martinjuenke
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We'll see...
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ghettosynth
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Sure, but, it was really easy to identify the technical properties of the 303 that made it useful at the time. Yes, someone used it in a particular way before anyone cared, but after that it was analyzed and discussed at length. I remember this in some detail, this was LONG before they shot up in value. You could buy a used 303 all night and all day for $300 at the time.
So, while it's easy for you to say "we'll see" as if you're saying that one can't know, I'm willing to bet that you will struggle to identify anything really unique about the Timbre Wolf technically. To be clear, there are many analogue synths that were much better products and that still are not worth very much as compared to their contemporaries. If anything, their value is really related to being a collector's item. The Super JX comes to mind here. The Super JX is far more interesting than the Timbre Wolf.
Another Akai spectacular analog failure was the AX-73. It at least has a usable keyboard, if not a bit wobbly after a bit, and a CEM3394, aka, the one voice wonder used in the Six-Track. A great condition one with an updated OLED screen and updated firmware is still going unsold (after three years) on Reverb for $900. That's for a vintage all analog synth from the mid to late eighties.
Average sold price on Ebay is probably around $650. That's way more than I'd pay for it, only collectors are paying that. There's really nothing special about it, I owned and played one live for a number of years. I used it only because it had a 73 key keyboard and I didn't give a shit if got beat up while playing live. It was mostly used to trigger my TG-500, but, I did play some silly analog strings patch from it.
Will the Timber Wolf sell for more than its original retail price just because it's analog, maybe, will someone discover from super secret about its shit circuitry and make a new genre, no.
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ghettosynth
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Ah_Dziz
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Seems like you could remake most of the sounds of the TW with any low pass filter and a wave shaper. I had an okay time playing with one of these and a bunch of Korg volca synth many years ago. You could build a very convincing sounding emulation of this in reaktor with a small bit of work.
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v1o
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- 3348 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
Yup the 303 was widely panned because it was terrible at doing bass. And acid house wasn't invented yet.martinjuenke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:29 am The Roland TB-303 was judged as crap synth when it first came out.
The rest is history.
And history repeats itself...
Someone would have to invent a completely new genre around the Timberwolf to change peoples opinions about it.
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v1o
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This is the same company that made the M-Audio Venom. Another rubbish synth that offered noting unique technically. Its in their DNA to release rubbish.ghettosynth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:11 amSure, but, it was really easy to identify the technical properties of the 303 that made it useful at the time. Yes, someone used it in a particular way before anyone cared, but after that it was analyzed and discussed at length. I remember this in some detail, this was LONG before they shot up in value. You could buy a used 303 all night and all day for $300 at the time.
So, while it's easy for you to say "we'll see" as if you're saying that one can't know, I'm willing to bet that you will struggle to identify anything really unique about the Timbre Wolf technically. To be clear, there are many analogue synths that were much better products and that still are not worth very much as compared to their contemporaries. If anything, their value is really related to being a collector's item. The Super JX comes to mind here. The Super JX is far more interesting than the Timbre Wolf.
Another Akai spectacular analog failure was the AX-73. It at least has a usable keyboard, if not a bit wobbly after a bit, and a CEM3394, aka, the one voice wonder used in the Six-Track. A great condition one with an updated OLED screen and updated firmware is still going unsold (after three years) on Reverb for $900. That's for a vintage all analog synth from the mid to late eighties.
Average sold price on Ebay is probably around $650. That's way more than I'd pay for it, only collectors are paying that. There's really nothing special about it, I owned and played one live for a number of years. I used it only because it had a 73 key keyboard and I didn't give a shit if got beat up while playing live. It was mostly used to trigger my TG-500, but, I did play some silly analog strings patch from it.
Will the Timber Wolf sell for more than its original retail price just because it's analog, maybe, will someone discover from super secret about its shit circuitry and make a new genre, no.
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