Massive X 1.6.1 update (September 2025)!

[Vortifex]

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[sQeetz]

Back in my day VST synths were only 50 pixels wide and took three hours to load a preset. You kidz don't know how lucky you are.

And so? Times have changed and nowadays most VSTs around load instantly, so there's definitely a problem at Massive X side and I see nothing ungrateful in simply complaining about it.

- Mario

Mario.. Tell your brother Luigi I love him

[zerocrossing]

Wait. Somebody help me. How many seconds would it be if I needed to open it 36 times?! THEN how many seconds?

Only 6 seconds... cause by the 3rd time, you would toss out MX and use one of the many other great sounding synths that do not have it's limitations

I’ve owned and used many wavetable synths in my life, both hardware and software. I’m unaware of any that do what Massive X does, or as well. It nails the hybrid wavetable sound like few other software instruments, and has a flexibility that I don’t think is equaled in any hardware. Maybe the Solaris.

I’m the first to criticize any synthesizer. My stance is, it’s better to go into anything clear eyed, so that one can better exploit an instrument’s strengths and avoid its weaknesses. Every instrument has them. Some weaknesses can even be exploited as strengths. To me, waiting two seconds for a UI to resolve seems like a minor issue, and I can point to more serious problems with Massive X’s UI. (I have, often) I’m amazed that the former “Future of Sound” people can’t even l be bothered to implement the past of MIDI, and while MPE is one of the most forward thinking technologies, they act like it doesn’t exist. All that said, they nailed it, sound wise, and for me, that’s the most important thing. Not using it seems like tossing out a Ferrari because it hasn’t a decent cup holder.

[pdxindy]

I’ve owned and used many wavetable synths in my life, both hardware and software. I’m unaware of any that do what Massive X does, or as well. It nails the hybrid wavetable sound like few other software instruments, and has a flexibility that I don’t think is equaled in any hardware. Maybe the Solaris.

Those are your subjective opinions... which are valid for you. I think MX sounds excellent, but not better than a bunch of other software synths. That is my subjective opinion.

MX does not sound like my Waldorf M and for my aesthetics, not as compelling and characterful.

I can make just as varied and complex an evolving waveform with a Bazille Osc as one can do with an MX Osc. Even though it is not technically a wavetable synth, Bazille is as sonically flexible as a wavetable synth that cannot import user wavetables (like MX).

Hell, I would rather use the new F-VA synth than MX.

[fisherKing]

Those are your subjective opinions... which are valid for you. I think MX sounds excellent, but not better than a bunch of other software synths. That is my subjective opinion.

MX does not sound like my Waldorf M and for my aesthetics, not as compelling and characterful.

I can make just as varied and complex an evolving waveform with a Bazille Osc as one can do with an MX Osc. Even though it is not technically a wavetable synth, Bazille is as sonically flexible as a wavetable synth that cannot import user wavetables (like MX).

Hell, I would rather use the new F-VA synth than MX.

huh? all opinions are subjective. so not sure what point you're trying to make...

[Daru925]

I understand your point these little things that seemingly interrupt YOUR workflow constantly can drive you crazy overtime.
I don't mind that initial loading time (and it got way better with a new computer), whereas other stuff or mechanics can really annoy me. (combo boxes of combo boxes to name a few, or not having an init button)
Very much first world problems indeed, but still important when its your main working tool.
When the zombie apocalypse hits us, dont worry i ll find some down to earth things to complain about.

People dismissing a synth as generally bad because its workflow doesnt suit them, though, i dont understand.
There are so much good sounding synths (that you can demo too), so pick the one which you like workflow the most.
MX + ableton fit the bill, good for me^^

[zerocrossing]

Hell, I would rather use the new F-VA synth than MX.

What’s F-VA?

[zerocrossing]

Those are your subjective opinions... which are valid for you. I think MX sounds excellent, but not better than a bunch of other software synths. That is my subjective opinion.

MX does not sound like my Waldorf M and for my aesthetics, not as compelling and characterful.

I can make just as varied and complex an evolving waveform with a Bazille Osc as one can do with an MX Osc. Even though it is not technically a wavetable synth, Bazille is as sonically flexible as a wavetable synth that cannot import user wavetables (like MX).

Hell, I would rather use the new F-VA synth than MX.

huh? all opinions are subjective. so not sure what point you're trying to make...

Yeah, I mean, I love my M too, but to even bring it up in the same conversation is weird. It’s a totally different thing with a different vibe. Try using the LFOs running at audio rate and modulating filter cutoff on the M. Guess what? It sounds like crap. It wasn’t really designed for that and they stuck it in later and it doesn’t really work. Oscillator FM on Massive X? Sounds excellent. The things that MX does that I value it for aren’t even available on the M. What you can do with per voice effects and PM are really great, and the filters sound excellent. Even the feedback sounds pretty good for a software synths. M does none of that.

It seems weird to me to state that you don’t like something, and then stay around to keep saying it. In fact, if you do a quick search of his posts, it seems like he lurks around waiting to cut down Massive X like it pushed him down on the playground and stole his lunch money. Of course we’re here to discuss and be critical of things, but this seems more like a personal vendetta.

[pdxindy]

Yeah, I mean, I love my M too, but to even bring it up in the same conversation is weird. It’s a totally different thing with a different vibe.

You claimed that Massive X had the hybrid thing down. Waldorf M is a hybrid wavetable/analog synth. But I'm weird for bringing it up? You know what, I'm out. You're not honest at all and just looking to attack.

[idoru97214]

I love the MX and I don't really care to much about the load time issue. The thing that bugs me the most about it - and it's not minor to me - is that with the last update, they made the browser even worse than it was. Now, on my system anyway, not only do you have to double click a preset to load it (which is lame), but any time you select a preset, it closes the preset window automatically. This makes 'browsing' presets extremely cumbersome and annoying. Even worse than before. And it was bad then. But - the sound - is SO good (objective fact. sound of output has no equal. there is nothing - hardware or software - that sounds this objectively good [ <--- that is humor. please relax. but i do love it]).

[fisherKing]

I love the MX and I don't really care to much about the load time issue. The thing that bugs me the most about it - and it's not minor to me - is that with the last update, they made the browser even worse than it was. Now, on my system anyway, not only do you have to double click a preset to load it (which is lame), but any time you select a preset, it closes the preset window automatically. This makes 'browsing' presets extremely cumbersome and annoying. Even worse than before. And it was bad then. But - the sound - is SO good (objective fact. sound of output has no equal. there is nothing - hardware or software - that sounds this objectively good [ <--- that is humor. please relax. but i do love it]).

agreed about browsing presets. i think it's a mistake (since we could painlessly browse before), and hope we see a fix (and other fixes) soon. meanwhile, i will continue to use MX because it's so good, issues notwithstanding...

[Biscotto]

Those are your subjective opinions... which are valid for you. I think MX sounds excellent, but not better than a bunch of other software synths. That is my subjective opinion.

MX does not sound like my Waldorf M and for my aesthetics, not as compelling and characterful.

I can make just as varied and complex an evolving waveform with a Bazille Osc as one can do with an MX Osc. Even though it is not technically a wavetable synth, Bazille is as sonically flexible as a wavetable synth that cannot import user wavetables (like MX).

Hell, I would rather use the new F-VA synth than MX.

huh? all opinions are subjective. so not sure what point you're trying to make...

Yeah, I mean, I love my M too, but to even bring it up in the same conversation is weird. It’s a totally different thing with a different vibe. Try using the LFOs running at audio rate and modulating filter cutoff on the M. Guess what? It sounds like crap. It wasn’t really designed for that and they stuck it in later and it doesn’t really work. Oscillator FM on Massive X? Sounds excellent. The things that MX does that I value it for aren’t even available on the M. What you can do with per voice effects and PM are really great, and the filters sound excellent. Even the feedback sounds pretty good for a software synths. M does none of that.

It seems weird to me to state that you don’t like something, and then stay around to keep saying it. In fact, if you do a quick search of his posts, it seems like he lurks around waiting to cut down Massive X like it pushed him down on the playground and stole his lunch money. Of course we’re here to discuss and be critical of things, but this seems more like a personal vendetta.

Vedetta… you are probably correct on that one. He hates the fact that Massive X sounds phenomenal but it can’t be easily used in Bitwig modulation system (only by macros).

[zerocrossing]

Yeah, I mean, I love my M too, but to even bring it up in the same conversation is weird. It’s a totally different thing with a different vibe.

You claimed that Massive X had the hybrid thing down. Waldorf M is a hybrid wavetable/analog synth. But I'm weird for bringing it up? You know what, I'm out. You're not honest at all and just looking to attack.

Says the man who trolls every single thread for the mention of Massive X and then pounces with his super important opinion. Will you never tire of making sure everyone on the planet knows what you think about it?

[PieBerger]

Eugh, middle aged men arguing on the internet, get a room

[zerocrossing]

Eugh, middle aged men arguing on the internet, get a room

This is that room.