Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[Trensharo]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

Probably has to do with people having multiple roles and trying to hit deadlines. Things are done quickly and not checked over. Same way Native Instruments mistakenly posted a "Super Sale" to their website, causing them to have to go back and cancel a bunch of hardware orders.

I think these leaks are intentional, and that the companies know exactly what they're doing. It happens so regularly that it can't be coincidence.

That's very probable, but nothing from Steinberg ever really gives that vibe. It's not like Apple or Samsung with their hardware devices, for example. Also, they have been pretty good about keeping the lid on other products like Dorico, SpectraLayers, WaveLab, etc.

The only time I can remember them intentionally leaking things was when they put HALion 7 in a promotional video or screenshot, and that still took several months to release, so it's not like they were hinting at anything "right around the corner."

This smells of the result of staffing cuts, to me. Like certain departments saw layoffs and had their responsibilities delated to others; and this is the result of that.

But, aforementioned, it's very probable that they are leaking just to see what the response will be.

[woodsdenis]

mmmm I have had no issues with 12 at all, that saying it fits my way of working and mayn't suit others.

That's good to hear. Are you working on complex sessions, audio only, VST's ? What interface ? I see you are on Mac. Overall it seems to me 12 was a nightmare if you take what is read online as anything to go by (dongle less authorization in itself producing an endless stream of threads, especially close to when 12 was released).

Audient interface, using a lot of various VSTs, running all with VST3/Silicon. Ends up as audio tracks for mixing, no major issues .

[chk071]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

Probably has to do with people having multiple roles and trying to hit deadlines. Things are done quickly and not checked over. Same way Native Instruments mistakenly posted a "Super Sale" to their website, causing them to have to go back and cancel a bunch of hardware orders.

I think these leaks are intentional, and that the companies know exactly what they're doing. It happens so regularly that it can't be coincidence.

That's very probable, but nothing from Steinberg ever really gives that vibe. It's not like Apple or Samsung with their hardware devices, for example. Also, they have been pretty good about keeping the lid on other products like Dorico, SpectraLayers, WaveLab, etc.

I'm a bit surprised about it as well. I thought Steinberg were better than that. IMO, this is, in general, the worst kind of marketing, and much too common these days.

I don't feel adressed by it either. I want hard facts, when the software is released or shortly before that, when there is clear that there will be release. Old fashioned and boring, I know. I just can't stand leaks, the people who leak, and the people who are the target audience for leaks. It's so stupid.

[Trensharo]

I run Cubase Pro 12 on both Windows 11 Pro (Desktop & Laptop) and macOS Ventura (MBP), and I have not had any issues with it.

I definitely have not had an issue with Steinberg Activation, and I have almost everything from Steinberg (Cubase Pro, Dorico Pro, WaveLab Pro, SpectraLayers Pro, Absolute 6, DNxHD CODEC, Sample Libraries, etc.). None have given me issue with Authentication, even across macOS or Windows 11 updates.

[Trensharo]

I really wonder how these accidents like the one on Steinberg's Cubase websites happen. One of the web designers tests something, and then accidentally puts the page online, and accidentally leaves it there?

Isn't that how leaks usually work? You just "accidentally" leak infos on your site, or an employee "accidentally" gives the infos to an influencer?

Crazy times we live in. Where a rudimentary piece of info is deliberately leaked, and everyone can guess when the release date is, and what will be in the package. I rather preferred hard info on the day of release, but, I guess that's how people roll these days. Mystery and guesswork.

Probably has to do with people having multiple roles and trying to hit deadlines. Things are done quickly and not checked over. Same way Native Instruments mistakenly posted a "Super Sale" to their website, causing them to have to go back and cancel a bunch of hardware orders.

I think these leaks are intentional, and that the companies know exactly what they're doing. It happens so regularly that it can't be coincidence.

That's very probable, but nothing from Steinberg ever really gives that vibe. It's not like Apple or Samsung with their hardware devices, for example. Also, they have been pretty good about keeping the lid on other products like Dorico, SpectraLayers, WaveLab, etc.

I'm a bit surprised about it as well. I thought Steinberg were better than that. IMO, this is, in general, the worst kind of marketing, and much too common these days.

I'm pretty sure Cubase 12 was "leaked" as well. I think many companies use software to auto-publish changes at specific dates/times, and things go wrong with that stuff. They aren't the only company this happens to.

[chk071]

I know. That's why it's so blatantly obvious that it's intended. I mean, come on, after a few times, you will surely be able to avoid stuff like this. It's not as if they pay whole marketing departments a lof of money for the marketing, and some over zealous or incompetent web designer destroys it all? Hard to believe.

Especially as we live in "Yay! First to have these infos!!" times, where people gasp for such "leaks".

[zvenx]

And Another possibility.

https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... st-5406198


If this was credible it would mean that systems were all go until something caused a decision to delay.

rsp

[Trensharo]

That makes sense, then. The changes were probably scheduled to publish on that day and when it was pushed back, things went out of sync.

Cubase 12 was delayed a while as well, which probably created a similar issue for that release.

[ShawnG]

My interest, as a person still on Cubase 11 is how the grace period will be handled. traditionally they released in december, but had a backdated free upgrade if you bought the previous edition in that window, usually from october iirc. this seems different, and I'd obviously like to snag it cheaper if I decide to.

[enroe]

Objectively, the new version is clearly superior from both a usability and ergonomics standpoint.

No, no - you may argue about fashions and visuall integrity. But all that is NOT the point.

The important point is another: If you step back and then take a quick look at the track
inspector, you will notice: The individual elements can be perceived much more quickly
by the eye - and are more clearly distinguishable from each other. When working quickly,
the brain is less concerned with registering individual buttons - and can concentrate
more and better on the song itself.

This is exactly a question of visual ergonomics. And that's where Cubase is now taking a
step back. OK - they also take a step back with VST2. I think the motto now is: “One step
back”! "We're getting EVEN worse now!"

What an irony, given the content of your reply. Lol.

Colors!

How cute.

VST2 is the past, how is leaving it behind for something that has been on the market to replace it for over a decade a "step back." Again, ironic, given how you lead off your reply. It's time to move on from that, and your decade-old plug-ins that haven't been updated (or are totally out of development).

The actual point of my reply: Ergonomics > Your Opinion, which is so shaky that it's bordering on baseless (given the content of your replies).

Why are you reacting so strangely emotionally? Are you so
insecure and unstable? I hope not.

Overall, Cubase is a brilliant, if not the best DAW. However,
there are at least two regressions when updating to version 13:

1. Ergonomics:

I think this is quite “objectively” a step backwards. Because the
“faster recognition” and the “distinctiveness” are clearly worse.
Everyone can decide for themselves:

cubase 12-13 track inspector 01.png

2. Elimination of VST2:

In everyday studio life, it often happens that you bring out an old
version of a song from 10 or even 20 years ago. A client wants
to remix or even rearrange them. This wouldn't work with Cubase
13 because it doesn't understand the VST2 plugins.

We had the same problem with Cubase when they simply no
longer supported DX plugins: Here too: Old, but very distinctive
and therefore important for production plugins no longer worked
afterwards.

Of course, Steinberg can make such an "abolition decision", but
each time it breaks with the past and with functionality. And I find
this "breaking" fatal - but it's just Steinberg's philosophy - true to
the motto: "One step back" - "We're getting EVEN worse now!"

[zvenx]

I keep older versions of my DAWS (and sometimes computers) for this exact reason.

rsp

[cptgone]

Make it make sense, please, otherwise... "Contrarian" is all that comes to mind.

You ask for further explanation? OK then.
I share enroe's view, and they stated it very clearly:

The important point is another: If you step back and then take a quick look at the track
inspector, you will notice: The individual elements can be perceived much more quickly
by the eye - and are more clearly distinguishable from each other. When working quickly,
the brain is less concerned with registering individual buttons - and can concentrate
more and better on the song itself.

No need to get upset because my mileage differs.
I just shared my point of view, I wasn't even arguing or protesting.
Obviously (and interestingly) several people share your point of view. That's fine.

This argument (and your name-calling) is beyond silly.
I won't keep repeating myself. Do your worst, but don't expect me to reply any further.

[cptgone]

I've been installing my collection of vst's on a new PC, and I'm amazed how many still aren't available as vst3 yet.

Just one example: I really don't want to do without Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar.
That alone is reason enough for me to stick with Cubase 12.

I don't mind, as it saves me money, and none of the new features get me excited.
I'm very glad Cubase 12 did away with the dongle, it was gonna be hard for Cubase 13 to outdo that anyway, as far as I'm concerned (and moreover, I find myself using Bitwig more often than Cubase these days).

[kritikon]

GUI arguments are silly. It's entirely subjective, not objective. Personally, I don't like the new look, prefer old look but it's workable. More to the point, the lists of new features don't really seem to feature many important things (at least for how I work). Definitely there is the odd feature that looks useful such as routing, but not many. More channels means nothing, as if I don't have enough already. Some of the FX plugins are likely going to be very good, as that's been a strength for Cubase IMO but focussing on vocals is not for me. Another tube thingumajig - . Instruments look like the same old stuff but with a new orchestra sample player - meh, not for me. TBH Cubase's increasing focus on samples has not impressed me, I might actually get rid of many of the packs I d/led with it and I'm not about to start filling up my HD with more bloat.

Ultimately, C12 is stable for me, has been from the get-go. Actually, I'm surprised it's so stable considering the major rewrite they must have done to get dongles out of it. C13 is likely to be one of those unmemorable ones, and I've got better things to spend my money on. Maybe 14 might be the one for me? I'll happily wait.

[sqigls]

well spread