Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[cptgone]

You might look at Soundtheory's EULA, and if not explicitly prohibited, an account takeover would theoretically be on the table for you to find a buyer at some clearing price between say €0 and €71.90.

They use iLok, and their licence transfer FAQ says:
"It is important that you notify us directly of any transfer. PACE do not let us know if you attempt a transfer through their system"
...so there's no getting around the $150 transfer fee, in my case (I wouldn't want a buyer to get into trouble somehow, no matter how unlikely) and potentially a Paypal fee, too (IIRC there's no such fee within the EU "for friends and family" but there sure is one for e.g. UK buyers).

[elxsound]

You might look at Soundtheory's EULA, and if not explicitly prohibited, an account takeover would theoretically be on the table for you to find a buyer at some clearing price between say €0 and €71.90.

They use iLok, and their licence transfer FAQ says:
"It is important that you notify us directly of any transfer. PACE do not let us know if you attempt a transfer through their system"
...so there's no getting around the $150 transfer fee, in my case (I wouldn't want a buyer to get into trouble somehow, no matter how unlikely) and potentially a Paypal fee, too (IIRC there's no such fee within the EU "for friends and family" but there sure is one for e.g. UK buyers).

Have you contacted them? I just can’t imagine a transfer needing to cost more than what it was brand new, and why would someone who had it for less time need to pay less than someone who had it longer?

That’s just crazy.

I have a Gulfoss license too. I don’t plan on selling it, but I don’t like those terms.

[elxsound]

You might look at Soundtheory's EULA, and if not explicitly prohibited, an account takeover would theoretically be on the table for you to find a buyer at some clearing price between say €0 and €71.90.

They use iLok, and their licence transfer FAQ says:
"It is important that you notify us directly of any transfer. PACE do not let us know if you attempt a transfer through their system"
...so there's no getting around the $150 transfer fee, in my case (I wouldn't want a buyer to get into trouble somehow, no matter how unlikely) and potentially a Paypal fee, too (IIRC there's no such fee within the EU "for friends and family" but there sure is one for e.g. UK buyers).

Pace transfer + account takeover?

[kidslow]

You might look at Soundtheory's EULA, and if not explicitly prohibited, an account takeover would theoretically be on the table for you to find a buyer at some clearing price between say €0 and €71.90.

They use iLok, and their licence transfer FAQ says:
"It is important that you notify us directly of any transfer. PACE do not let us know if you attempt a transfer through their system"
...so there's no getting around the $150 transfer fee, in my case (I wouldn't want a buyer to get into trouble somehow, no matter how unlikely) and potentially a Paypal fee, too (IIRC there's no such fee within the EU "for friends and family" but there sure is one for e.g. UK buyers).

Just read their EULA. Very one-sided in their favor. Does not appear you could do an account takeover per the terms (but IANAL). Thanks for the heads up. Not a company I will ever do business with.

[TBlake]

Just read their EULA. Very one-sided in their favor. Does not appear you could do an account takeover per the terms (but IANAL). Thanks for the heads up. Not a company I will ever do business with.

yes, the user basically surrenders most of their consumer rights. Those in the EU might have more protection against this than us dopes in the US.

[cptgone]

Have you contacted them? I just can’t imagine a transfer needing to cost more than what it was brand new, and why would someone who had it for less time need to pay less than someone who had it longer?

Their transfer fee rules (and the attitude it implies) speak for themselves.
You are right that I could try plead with them anyway, but I really don't feel like it.

Pace transfer + account takeover?

Not sure what you mean.
- the $150 I mentioned is the transfer fee (5 * $25, + $25 for PACE)
- it seems highly unlikely Soundtheory would charge less for an account takeover - in fact, it seems they don't even allow that:

Just read their EULA. Very one-sided in their favor. Does not appear you could do an account takeover per the terms (but IANAL).

I went looking for their EULA, but I didn't find it right away, I didn't look forward to reading it, and IANAL anyway.
I figured that even if they would allow it, it would be subject to similar fees.

Those in the EU might have more protection against this than us dopes in the US.

That might give me some leverage (not holding my breath though).
So I reckoned I might as well contact Soundtheory - even if only to confirm their policy, so I can warn prospective buyers.

[kidslow]

Just read their EULA. Very one-sided in their favor. Does not appear you could do an account takeover per the terms (but IANAL).

I went looking for their EULA, but I didn't find it right away, I didn't look forward to reading it, and IANAL anyway.

Googled Soundtheory EULA and it came up first.

[darkcapricorn]

I have never heard ban or anything like that for account takeover.
Does anyone know?

[TBlake]

I have never heard ban or anything like that for account takeover.
Does anyone know?

It is possible to revoke a license with iLok and while I never heard of a company actually doing that, if anyone would it would be Soundtheory.

[cptgone]

To Soundtheory's credit, they replied already, and "will make an exception in this case and cap the Soundtheory transfer fee at 50USD" (not including the PACE fee, of course).

:buries hatchet:

[cptgone]

I have never heard ban or anything like that for account takeover.
Does anyone know?

It is possible to revoke a license with iLok and while I never heard of a company actually doing that, if anyone would it would be Soundtheory.

Account transfer or not, AFAIK the PACE licence will have to be transferred, and Soundtheory said:

"Please let us know when you initialize the transfer from within the iLok License Manager as we'll then need to approve it."

[TBlake]

To Soundtheory's credit, they replied already, and "will make an exception in this case and cap the Soundtheory transfer fee at 50USD" (not including the PACE fee, of course).

:buries hatchet:

while this may sound better than the your original $150 estimate it is still substantially more than most companies charge especially when factoring in the $25 iLok fee. and the fact that you have to contact them to receive special dispensation is abhorrent.

[martinjuenke]

Not the first Sunk Money you've spent.
Relax!

[midi sentinel]

I got the NFR license after buying Gulfoss. After asking what's going on, they explained that any discounted purchase results in NFR license.

Of course, they failed to mention that anywhere before or during purchase process.

Definitely in the top 3 list of shit audio companies I've dealt with.

[audenso]

Wow! This is really horrifying the way they treat their customers.
Like loyalty (having the plugin for 3 or more years) means that customer is less worthy than the new customer who just bought their product and decided to sell it. Punishing a loyal customer who probably decided to stop producing and sold their software… the customer had it for three years, but is hard for Soundtheory to actually know whether their customer returned their investment in order to justify that transfer tax increase. On the other side it also looks like they’re leasing their products to their customers should the customers decide to sell their license. A company to avoid :/