Steinberg online shop closed [RE-OPENED]

[4damind]

The real DAW ;giants' are Ableton Live and FL Studio. None of the other DAWs come close in terms of sales and popularity.

Do you also have official sales figures for the individual DAWs to support your theory?
I'm also surprised that no one seems to use Pro Tools anymore, have so many studios switched to Fruity Loops now

[Aloysius]

Now that the CLAP audio format is catching on and due to replace VST/VST3 in the coming years. Does anybody really need Steinberg any more?

I can see them closing their doors for business before the end of this decade.

Well, its a good thing nobody pays you to do forecasting innit?

Where the hell is CLAP 'catching on'? In what, the two or three minor league hosts that use it? When it comes to the industry giants, Logic Pro and Pro Tools, then we'll call it 'catching on'.

Eh ... you forgot to mention Steinberg, Ableton Live etc ... ProTools is a bad industry standard. Nobody would use it if people didn't need to standardize things.

I agree with you about the clap though.

[mothra]

Eh ... you forgot to mention Steinberg, Ableton Live etc ... ProTools is a bad industry standard. Nobody would use it if people didn't need to standardize things.

I agree with you about the clap though.

Hah I'm a Cubase user too. Everybody knows they'll never be getting the clap, and I think Yamaha is going out of business or something soon..

[noiseboyuk]

Some invites out today for the new shop, with personal offers vaild til the 26th, so looks like they're hoping to re-open fully on Friday.

[Atlatnesiti]

Eh ... you forgot to mention Steinberg, Ableton Live etc ... ProTools is a bad industry standard. Nobody would use it if people didn't need to standardize things.

I agree with you about the clap though.

Hah I'm a Cubase user too. Everybody knows they'll never be getting the clap, and I think Yamaha is going out of business or something soon..

Trolling bit are we, or totally ignorant…

[Examigan]

Some invites out today for the new shop, with personal offers vaild til the 26th, so looks like they're hoping to re-open fully on Friday.

When I checked on the main webpage it still has a message that it's unavailable.

EDIT: It does appear to work for some items if you go through the email they sent.

[Scotty]

This is what happens when we trust our own research.

Now that the CLAP audio format is catching on and due to replace VST/VST3 in the coming years. Does anybody really need Steinberg any more?

I can see them closing their doors for business before the end of this decade.

Well, its a good thing nobody pays you to do forecasting innit?

Where the hell is CLAP 'catching on'? In what, the two or three minor league hosts that use it? When it comes to the industry giants, Logic Pro and Pro Tools, then we'll call it 'catching on'.

Eh ... you forgot to mention Steinberg, Ableton Live etc ... ProTools is a bad industry standard. Nobody would use it if people didn't need to standardize things.

I agree with you about the clap though.

[Aloysius]

Eh ... you forgot to mention Steinberg, Ableton Live etc ... ProTools is a bad industry standard. Nobody would use it if people didn't need to standardize things.

I agree with you about the clap though.

Hah I'm a Cubase user too. Everybody knows they'll never be getting the clap, and I think Yamaha is going out of business or something soon..

Trolling bit are we, or totally ignorant…

Trolling bit are we, or totally ignorant?

[kritikon]

The real DAW ;giants' are Ableton Live and FL Studio. None of the other DAWs come close in terms of sales and popularity. Therefore, as soon as those 'major' DAWs support CLAP (which will be VERY soon), you'll see all the third-party developers updating their plugins to CLAP.

Possibly, but sounds like subjective hyperbole.

After all, it's in independent third-party developers' own best interests after all, to wrest the hitherto control of the audio plugin format standard, away from Steinberg's proprietary stranglehold and corporate dictates, to a free open source (and technically superior) alternative.

No, actually, it's in nobody's interests to have "standards" destroyed by multiple formats. Just go take a look at any of the Ohmforce threads to see what a royal PITA it is for every dev to have multiple formats to code for. More formats = for everyone. Standards are there for obvious reasons and they're in my and your interests to have standards for many things. Likely you're not old enough to know about MIDI - prior to this hugely important standard, keyboards could talk to keyboards etc but only to ones of the same make mostly. CV control even was not standardised, so Korg could not talk to Roland etc. Every manufacturer had their own standard and we the users were the ones who suffered. I'd be an idiot to want multiple standards for plugins. Don't want the pain, thanks.

Many of the major plugin developers in the industry were extremely unhappy with Steinberg's strongarm tactics around their discontinuance of VST in favour of the less popular VST3. Hence, the entire reason why CLAP became a viable alternative to begin with.

Somewhat true, but we have yet to see if it's viable. Doesn't look like it's taking off to me.

So, unless you're a Cubase user (and let's face it, hardly anybody is any longer), then once those developers support CLAP, Steinberg's relevance will continue to dwindle ever further, from its already incredibly niche audience of legacy users and old studios.

That's just outright trolling garbage.

Steinberg's days are numbered. Unless they can manage to survive on their ever dwindling user base. Perhaps, they can increase the prices of their licences ten fold for their tiny niche crowd over the course of this next decade, to stay afloat. But then, they really will only exist in such legacy music and production studios and facilities. However, they will have left the 'mainstream' almost entirely by 2030 (if they can even remain profitable, that is).

Too obvious. Try harder.

[chk071]

Steinberg are about to open their shop again, by the way. I got an email saying that they will open it again soon, and there are discounts for some of their software.

[chk071]

Steinberg's days are numbered.

In your dreams, maybe.

[MrJubbly]

To everyone whose arguments are that CLAP hasn't rolled out for most plugin developers yet. I agree. But, most of you are confused as to why that is. Because you're operating under the misapprehension that Cubase, Pro Tools etc, are still a primary driving force for third party plugin sales. They're not. Those DAWs are practically relics at this juncture, which occupy a tiny proportion of total DAW market share and hence, third-party sales.

I understand that many of you may well live in your so called "industry" bubbles, where your best buddies Tom, Bob and John, who also work in similar antiquated studio setups and echo chambers, likewise use those same dinosaur DAWs. But you're living under a rock if you think that most people still use them.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ableton Live and FL Studio occupy well over 50% of the DAW market share alone. And I am being extremely conservative with that estimate. It's probably closer to two thirds of the market.

And if that is the case, then your little mystery of why CLAP isn't currently ubiquitous is immediately obvious. Let's talk again once both of those DAW giants have supported CLAP for oh, ... let's say a year or so, and then reassess just how widespread CLAP has become, once the main DAWs that most people 'actually' use, fully support it.

Bitwig doesn't really count as it also shares a tiny niche audience (much like Cubase and Pro Tools.)

TL:DR ~ CLAP will become very popular, soon after the two main DAWs (that the vast majority of people use) support the format. Likewise, the reason why CLAP hasn't fully saturated the market yet, is due to the same reason. I predict CLAP will overtake VST/VST3 within five years of those DAWs support thereof and will replace Steinberg's proprietary audio format as the new standard.

[chk071]

Ok, Nostradamus.

None of what you wrote has anything to do with the topic, by the way.

[MrJubbly]

Ok, Nostradamus.

None of what you wrote has anything to do with the topic, by the way.

It has to do with the past half dozen posts quoting me (including one from yours truly). I'm simply responding in kind to those members.

And I'll take the Nostradamus tag as a compliment, as I've been very accurate with many predictions recently. And I'll be more than happy to stand by this one also. If anyone happens to come across this 5 or 10 years from now.

[BBFG#]

For the time being, Steinberg has closed me down. Probably a couple of years before I upgrade to another system they require now.