Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[Jolaff]

^^^ yepp,



probably this is laptop laptop-friendly order, from right to left, Ableton Live is the most usable, but only because there is no mixer, Logic is a borderline case

let's say this is why I only have licenses for AL and Bitwig

The way a DAW look on a static picture doesn't really tells how usable it is on a laptop. Their is more to it like the way you can access information you need with a keyboard shortcut, the way you can zoom in/out, can you hide tracks easily to focus on a part.

And by the way I couldn't work with a browser set up that narrow on Ableton Live. I would need to see my folder's names and when I select a folder I need to see the content of the folders inside those folders... ...and the keyboard shortcut to close the browser in Ableton (option-cmd-b) is way to hard

And on Cubase I don't need those 2 panels open at the same time. It's basically the same information... and their is a big square for the track versions... you can easily access that on the track header.

[xbitz]

^^^ In Ableton Live, it's common to work with packed racks where the currently unused elements are disabled, but otherwise, the rack operates similarly(with macros), just with different components, so no need folder name just speed (templates and tracks with prefilled racks and samples)

"and on Cubase I don't need those 2 panels open" I like to current separation, and yepp versioning usually involves multiple tracks, so it's faster from a shortcut/menu, but now enough space has been freed up that it fits right in

[kenny saunders]

I like the update overall, the mixer was already excellent but is now even more configurable. A bit disappointed that the DAW control/remote stuff hasn't been fully deprecated/transitioned yet.

I think the mixer updates also look good, but...

A lot of the mixer improvements are geared around using the Cubase plugins in an integrated way. I use predominantly third tools, and find the lack of ability to integrate these into the mixer a bit frustrating. A lot of mixer is taken up with the Cubase tool slots, being empty except sometimes and EQ. I seem to recall ordering these and third party plug ins a bit limited as well.

I also think configurability isn't really required if the DAW is well structured. I also use Bitwig and find the Bitwig mixer to work really well as it lists all the plug ins in the mixer, both bitwig and third parties. Then additionally the fx channel panel, which is horizontal, has mini guis for the Bitwig tool, and also some accessible parameters for third party.

If the Cubase mixer had better integration for third party plugs for the in mixer controls, and had nested channels (folders) for groups/routing I think it would improve it a lot.

I really like mixing in Cubase, but my mixing process is not just levels and per channel eq, it also involves adding plug ins, changing and updating routings, level and FX automation. So the in mixer stuff is great to an extent, but it's not that much of the mixing process and the routing in particular can be slow/clunky compared to Bitwig to e.g. group two channels, add an FX channel for the two channels inside the new group.

If I was starting out though, this might be different and perhaps using make stock Cubase plugins would be really great workflow wise. But wanting to use so many third party fx, I think the Bitwig/ableton way is faster to work with.

I may be mis-understanding you because surely you can just have just inserts and nothing else showinfg on the mixer if you wanted?

[kenny saunders]

Anyone know what this means in practice?

Better Windows handling...
WINDOW MANAGEMENT
Cubase now features Windows-compliant multi-window handling.

Knowing what the new KC's are will sort the men from the boys. Is there a specific list anywhere?

Even quicker and easier.
KEY COMMANDS
Cubase 13 introduces many new commands that will make your life easier. These include rename selected events, add marker on active marker track, and move range to next hit point.

[midi_transmission]

There is still no way to use M/S, Dry/Wet or a simple gain stage between plugins, right?

[_leras]

You can select instrument or sample track as an input source for the audio tracks, so you can record directly. Before, you had to route them to a bus and select that bus as the input source for the audio track.

Thanks for explaining. So you can e.g. jam a sampler track and record directly??

I think I'd usually use a multiple stage process, recording midi and bouncing.

Guess it can streamline getting things into audio if you work that way. Am I missing something with this?

[jancivil]

One bug has appeared here: it doesn't like my key commands for the first two Track Configuration looks, but it does for 3 on;
had to set new key commands.
one type of crash which I expect will be fixed practically immediately, cutting audio clips. IE: it appeared to know what it was, setting up a report which I have done.

[_leras]

I may be mis-understanding you because surely you can just have just inserts and nothing else showinfg on the mixer if you wanted?

Yeah, that's kind of my point. It's ok if you just use third party only.

You get the nice quick interface if you use only the mixer versions of the Cubase plugins.

If you want to use both, then for me if I remember correctly, you need all the sections showing much of which is empty space, and you also can't flexibly reorder the combination of built in and third party.

I mean it's fine, and workable, and I think the concept is actually really great.

Its just not quite there for the way I work. The ability to reorder all plug ins on a channel, is more important than a completely consistent mixer to me. An example is I often drop in something to filter out low frequency, but I may place this in different, even multiple places in my FX chain, and also use a few different eqs to do this job, depending on the prominence of the part - so for this a fixed eq position doesn't always work.

[andypryce]

You can select instrument or sample track as an input source for the audio tracks, so you can record directly. Before, you had to route them to a bus and select that bus as the input source for the audio track.

Thanks for explaining. So you can e.g. jam a sampler track and record directly??

I think I'd usually use a multiple stage process, recording midi and bouncing.

Guess it can streamline getting things into audio if you work that way. Am I missing something with this?

It might be useful to record a synth live to a track while fiddling with the knobs to capture everything for further editing as an audio to create a sample or something. Or record an FX return track (A reverb for example) or a group track by it self which can not be bounced.(Can be exported though) Otherwise like you said I always use bounce too.

[Freaqpeak]

Tried it for 1 hour so i might feel different further in.
First: I dont like how the mixer looks to be honest. Feels a bit messy and harder to see IMO.

The gui feels slower, less snappy. Opening plugin guis takes longer. I hate this. Annoying. Can anyone confirm this?

The range tool is good and stereo/mono button is good.

Havent tried any of the new plugins. Not really interested, already covered by better 3rd party plugins.

And why did steinberg not include better midi fx plugins?? Just a cheap gui update. Compared to Bitwig for example, the midi plugins are a joke...

Its not obvious how to use the multich midi Edit. You have to use it in separate new window. So that suck. Some how screen reastate feels smaller?..

I find the new single mixing channel on the left with insert plugins etc might be useful.

TBC.

EDIT: removed brainfart.

[Jolaff]

Already found a downgrade of features: Double clicking a fader does not bring the fader to 0db any more. Why do you always remove stuff Steinberg?

On a mac, command-click bring a fader back to 0. It was like this on version 12 also ...what version are you using ?

The gui feels slower, less snappy. Opening plugin guis takes longer. I hate this. Annoying. Can anyone confirm this?

Opening an fx plugin is slow but I wouldn't say it is slower. It was slow on 12 too. But yeah, it's probably slower than any other DAW... this is annoying...

[lfm]

And why did steinberg not include better midi fx plugins?? Just a cheap gui update. Compared to Bitwig for example, the midi plugins are a joke...

There is this feature request on Steinberg forum I started as I ran Cubase back then.
https://forums.steinberg.net/t/vst-midi ... erts/94520

Nobody seems to bother with midi plugins. I tried talk to Waves long ago too.

But to set up a bunch of instruments and various midi handling between them I started using Bluecat Audio Patchwork that works well for that.

Then you can use the full lot of Piz Vst midi plugins. I use the gui-less which is the full series, meaning host creates a generic control for each parameter like knobs or sliders.

Available here:
https://code.google.com/archive/p/pizmidi/downloads

[dickiefunk]

How is the cpu handling in Cubase 13 vs 12 (especially lower latencies)?

[dionenoid]

Already found a downgrade of features: Double clicking a fader does not bring the fader to 0db any more. Why do you always remove stuff Steinberg?

Fader to 0 is and always has been ctrl+click.

[Freaqpeak]

Already found a downgrade of features: Double clicking a fader does not bring the fader to 0db any more. Why do you always remove stuff Steinberg?

Fader to 0 is and always has been ctrl+click.

Of course.. just a total brain fart from me.
I have been spending too much time with another mixer.....