Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[kritikon]

Got it today, so still getting used to it. 1st impressions - don't like the new GUI at all. Too many things are now so small they're difficult to see on a laptop. Was far easier on the eyes on C12. I mostly have it on a big screen in the studio but sometimes use my laptop upstairs, and it definitely got more difficult to see. Can get used to it but it's a backward step pandering to a noisy minority IMO. So now it looks more like other DAWs, thanks for f**king it up.

Love the 1-click mono-stereo, needed simplifying ages ago.

Quite like the side channel. Small ergonomic improvement but makes mixing while arranging easier.

I didn't think I'd have much use for all the vocal channel stuff, but actually really good. Had some boomy vocal samples I was struggling to fit in a track and all of a sudden it was a breeze. Very nice. Also like the vox compressor - used it on a non-bassy 303 squelch line and it was instant standout. Didn't expect that at all.

OMFG! It closes properly. At last.

TAL dub2 instantly crashed it dead. Boo.

Some funny gui glitches - 1st hover of mouse over some buttons goes weird, then next time it's OK (particularly the buttons to disappear mixer, inspector, side channel etc.

1st time ever I think I got a new Cubase version and EVERYTHING worked on setup. D/l then activation, then startup with no hassle in sight. Overall a good experience apart from the tiny cartoon GUI.

[Trensharo]

Got it today, so still getting used to it. 1st impressions - don't like the new GUI at all. Too many things are now so small they're difficult to see on a laptop. Was far easier on the eyes on C12. I mostly have it on a big screen in the studio but sometimes use my laptop upstairs, and it definitely got more difficult to see. Can get used to it but it's a backward step pandering to a noisy minority IMO. So now it looks more like other DAWs, thanks for f**king it up.

I feel like feedback about this has to be taken with a grain of salt, because half of it is subjective and the other half depends on the eyesight of the person looking at it - as well as the screen resolution and scaling settings of the monitor they're looking at.

I have a 14" PC Laptop (1080p 16:9 DIsplay, 100% Scaling - anything higher is a waste of money and battery/power budget as I would never see pixelation at normal viewing angles on a screen that size)

a 14" MacBook Pro (Scaled to More Space, IIRC.. Basically, it looks identical to the PC Laptop as far as size of elements on the screen - just higher DPI that I don't notice at normal viewing distances. The aspect ratio is just a bit different.) I don't think macOS even allows running those displays at native resolution (would be unusable, anyways - like a 14" QHD+ screen on any Windows laptop).

I also have a 27" UHD Monitor hooked up to my MBP, which is scaled to the setting between 1440p and 2160p (I use an almost identical scale on Windows 11 - native resolution is unusable at that screen size...).

None of these give me issues, personally. Everything looks fine, and nothing is "too small."

I do think that the interface can get quite dense, though I don't think Studio One or Logic Pro are really much different in that aspect.

I didn't think I'd have much use for all the vocal channel stuff, but actually really good. Had some boomy vocal samples I was struggling to fit in a track and all of a sudden it was a breeze. Very nice. Also like the vox compressor - used it on a non-bassy 303 squelch line and it was instant standout. Didn't expect that at all.

Yea, Cubase is 1st class when it comes to stock plug-ins. Better than Logic Pro, IMO. It's the virtual instruments that disappoint (though probably not an issue to anyone on this forum, who will own most things they need and therefore won't care much).

OMFG! It closes properly. At last.

It still pops up the Steinberg Hub when you close the last project. Unlike Dorico, there is no option in settings to set what happens when you do that to "Do Nothing." And I'm not even sure what Do Nothing in Dorico does, cause I've never tried it, Lol. Maybe I should do that.

EDIT: "Do Nothing" Exits Dorico when the last project is closed, basically what I'd want Cubase to do. It still doesn't do it.

TAL dub2 instantly crashed it dead. Boo.

That can be an issue with the DAW or with the plug-in. I have ASIO drivers that work with Cubase, but not Digital Performer. The issue is not DP, it's the driver. Randomly, it will crash Cubase, though. So, something is wrong, but you can actually go weeks using it with Cubase before it crashes, so it does masquerade very well as a "DAW problem."

Plug-ins can do the same. How different DAWs validate plug-ins are different, and there can be differences in VST Implementation. It's why some DAWs are better with VST3 plug-ins than others.

Some funny gui glitches - 1st hover of mouse over some buttons goes weird, then next time it's OK (particularly the buttons to disappear mixer, inspector, side channel etc.

Never noticed this. Will look for it.

1st time ever I think I got a new Cubase version and EVERYTHING worked on setup. D/l then activation, then startup with no hassle in sight. Overall a good experience apart from the tiny cartoon GUI.

People are acting like this was a UI revamp, when it really wasn't even close. It was more like a consistency pass.

Stop acting like they turned Cubase 13 into MixCraft 8.

[kritikon]

Well, Tal Dub2 worked perfectly in Cubase 10.5. I'm reasonably sure that plugin has not been changed, for years. Cubase, however, has changed. Which do you think caused the crash? Not that it bothers me much, it's the only plugin so far that has crashed it, so overall a good result IMO.

I'll take your assertion that you can see the new GUI well with the same grain of salt. Your opinion, subjective and how f**ked is your eyesight, as you so pleasantly inferred for mine? My opinion is I can't make it out on the very same laptop that I could make it out on with 10.5 so quite frankly my dear - stop with the gratuitous insults.

They turned Cubase 13 into an improvement in many aspects, as I mentioned. They f**ked up the GUI. That's not an opinion I asked you to refute by telling my opinion is worth nothing. If that is the case, then your opinion is worth nothing also. Jeez, why the aggro, fanboi? I'm hardly putting the boot in - I've used Cubase since 1989. If it was so crap I'd have used something else. It's my opinion of it, mostly good. You like the GUI, fine - just don't piss all over me you arrogant prick.

[ozinga]

I feel like feedback about this has to be taken with a grain of salt, because half of it is subjective and the other half depends on the eyesight of the person looking at it - as well as the screen resolution and scaling settings of the monitor they're looking at.

There is a 500 message thread about this on official Cubase forum and one representative confirmed that fixes are coming. So it is far from being subjective.

[Trensharo]

I feel like feedback about this has to be taken with a grain of salt, because half of it is subjective and the other half depends on the eyesight of the person looking at it - as well as the screen resolution and scaling settings of the monitor they're looking at.

There is a 500 message thread about this on official Cubase forum and one representative confirmed that fixes are coming. So it is far from being subjective.

It's subjective. Also, saying there is a "500 message thread about this" on the Cubase Forums (which I frequent a lot more than these) is incredibly misleading as that thread is an amalgamation of countless complaints about countless things.

It is, at best, a "generic UI complaints and discussion thread" where you see people complaining about everything from the iconography to color schemes to discussing the new mixer design to - yes - the size of some elements, to contrast levels, etc.

How someone likes a UI - like when they refer to it as a cartoon GUI - is 100% subjective. You get different answers depending on who you ask. Even if every person had the exact same complain in that thread, and every message was an actual complaint from a different individual, 500 people is practically ignorable when juxtaposed against the size of the Cubase user base. Let's not exaggerate simply because some forumers seem to agree with us (irrespective of the misrepresentation at play, here). The world is much bigger.

As far as things being small, that has a lot to do with hardware and scaling settings. There are a lot of old people on the Cubase forums (and VI Control, ftr) who know more about Windows FUD than choosing a suitable scaling setting for the state of their eyesight.

Developers cannot help people who have too-high raster/scaling set on a display that isn't large enough to accommodate it comfortably, or people with bad vision who insist on getting laptops with 13-14" screens, etc.

[kritikon]

Again, you arrogant prick.
Anybody who disagrees with your own 100% subjective opinion of a GUI is old and blind and should be sidelined. You think you're being subtle but it's a very obvious way of trolling and offense.

You're talking absolute bollocks about scaling. I'm telling you for a fkn fact that I find it harder to make out the new GUI on EXACTLY THE SAME settings on EXACTLY THE SAME laptop screen as the previous GUI which was perfectly viewable on my laptop. I didn't somehow change the scaling, age 25yrs, develop dementia forgetting I'd changed the settings and develop cataracts in the time it took to download a new version of Cubase. If you get any more insulting and obnoxious, this thread is going to get nasty, because I'm not going to accept your offense nicely. Just f**k off with this offensive claptrap about your opinion being objective and anyone else's being subjective, blind and senile. You want to get this thread locked, then continue in your offensive manner because I WILL respond in kind.

[kritikon]

More flakiness from the GUI: the initial glitches on buttons seems to have stopped - seems to have been a first-use-only kind of bug. Now the dropdowns to pick FX for inserts on the side channel are all over the place showing up double, out of place, glitching. Hopefully this is another first-use kind of bug that goes away, as yesterday I only used the mixer channel inserts to add FX, and they were OK. I'm liking the side channel more and more though.

I have a few days off from tomorrow, so I'll check out some of the other new features. I suspect some of them will be more useful than I initially thought, as all the stuff I tried so far have exceeded expectations. New range features could be handy? I don't really need another vocoder (extremely happy with MVocoder) but excited nevertheless to give it a whirl. GUI seems to be the main downside of this upgrade. Hopefully they'll fix the flakiness on updates, and though the GUI is worse, that's only on laptop - I can get used to it fine on a decent screen. Still...reduced functionality because of the GUI

[dionenoid]

Apart from the subjective part, there are also objective graphic issues.

There's been lots of reports about gui glitches/issues. Got a few myself, including a full white screen when opening a project. Had to restart to get it working.

Fontsize has also changed for a lot of items, many complaints about that. And readability of many items has decreased, but not for everyone, so that's a weird one. I've read many complaints about the readability of the track naming, but with me that's gotten better, while the samples/presets names became smaller and less readable. Where others had no change there...

Seems that SB are working on an update to fix a lot of that graphic stuff tho. It was also posted in the known issues section in their faq.

[Trensharo]

Again, you arrogant prick.
Anybody who disagrees with your own 100% subjective opinion of a GUI is old and blind and should be sidelined. You think you're being subtle but it's a very obvious way of trolling and offense.

You're talking absolute bollocks about scaling. I'm telling you for a fkn fact that I find it harder to make out the new GUI on EXACTLY THE SAME settings on EXACTLY THE SAME laptop screen as the previous GUI which was perfectly viewable on my laptop. I didn't somehow change the scaling, age 25yrs, develop dementia forgetting I'd changed the settings and develop cataracts in the time it took to download a new version of Cubase. If you get any more insulting and obnoxious, this thread is going to get nasty, because I'm not going to accept your offense nicely. Just f**k off with this offensive claptrap about your opinion being objective and anyone else's being subjective, blind and senile. You want to get this thread locked, then continue in your offensive manner because I WILL respond in kind.

I know a good optometrist.

[kritikon]

Good. Go visit him and get something to take a good clear look at yourself in the mirror so you can see what a huge trolling twat you are. Is that what you visit KvR for - just to offend people?

[Freaqpeak]

I got some weird graphics bug where the gui doesn't show, just empty white areas.
If I move the mouse pointer in the white areas, it renders the gui elements again. But not until I've moved the mouse pointer in that particular area... Quite annoying. Anyone else got this issue?

On the postitive: I've got zero "hangs on quit" in v13. I can't believe this... Some projects used to hang every time I closed the project. I hope it stays this way....

[D-Fusion]

I got some weird graphics bug where the gui doesn't show, just empty white areas.
If I move the mouse pointer in the white areas, it renders the gui elements again. But not until I've moved the mouse pointer in that particular area... Quite annoying. Anyone else got this issue?

On the postitive: I've got zero "hangs on quit" in v13. I can't believe this... Some projects used to hang every time I closed the project. I hope it stays this way....

I have the same problem.
The Gui is living it's own life so it is impossible to do anything in V13 atm. and this release is even worse than any alpha builds i have tested from other companies in the past

I do hope for a fix soon since i like the new look if you don't click on anything and this product should have never been released in this state (Shame on you Steinberg).

[kritikon]

I don't have those white-outs fortunately (yet), but seemingly random GUI glitches in different areas each day, mostly buttons and/or drop-downs. So far they're not interfering too much with getting things done, but I haven't had a serious session on it yet, so we'll see. A life of its own seems to be about right. TalDub2 instantly crashed it when I loaded it first time, but tried again yesterday and it was fine Actually the crash was the quickest/cleanest I've ever seen Cubase close

[VitaminD]

On the steiny forums a Cubase Dev responded to the megathread on the C13 GUI and says they will be making changes, but those may not be in the first patch. FYI

[kritikon]

Played a bit more today - pretty well all of the drop downs to insert FX (on both inserts and sends) are glitchy as hell on all of my mixer channels, not just the side channel. Sometimes I couldn't actually insert specific FX from the list because the list either disappeared or doubled up and moved when I put the cursor over it, especially FX/group headings that are either at the top or bottom of the list. Might have to go back to C12 at this rate, as it's looking like too flakey to safely use. Damn near hit the close button trying to access top right disappearing icons. Dodgy screen icon buttons returned so I couldn't use it to get mixer at one point. Lucky there are project/file dropdowns as alternative ways. This is actually more f**ked than I first thought. I haven't really trialled the editors yet (got my last project is at mixing stage, so haven't needed to) but a bit apprehensive, hope they're going to work.

Oh yeah...another little annoyance. It doesn't seem to remember the last opened project either. I have to go search for the version I've been working on, as the most recent it remembers is 3 versions back. Did it every time I restarted.