VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[DoktorTenma]

Guys, I can't currently take you seriously with the statement that spike-problems on arm Macs are gone now... Too much not-so-well-thought rubbish was posted here...

Please post a proof, by posting a screenshot of Bitwig's performance monitor playing Avenger 2.05 and a known-to-spike-preset. Or is this just fake news, just as the many times before?

Maybe we are talking about 2 different issues? The issue I had with my M1 Max machine, which did not happen on my M1 mini or my Ryzen 1800X machine, was that there were occasional spikes of the CPU no matter what patch was selected and if Avenger was playing or not. These CPU spikes are not happening on my M1 Max anymore using Avenger 2.0.5.

You seem to be talking about a separate issue where some patches are always spiking? Manuel mentioned earlier in the thread that some functionalities require additional calculations at note start so if these functions are used then there will be short spikes at those events.

some seem obsessed with spikes.
Short spikes will always be there, since on generation of a sound after note press, there are some parameters to be initialized. The sound/cpu is on hold until this is is finished (just a fraction of a second). The Asio buffer size determines how much time you grant the processor for this task. If buffer is too short or your cpu too slow for that timewindow, it will conflict.
So on most machines you wont even notice. Afaik Hanz has one of those rare machines, where you seem to notice. But unless you bring us your machine, I guess Rene has no idea, why that is the case.

This seems like normal behaviour to me. Of course they should try to optimise those calculations as much as they can though. But on my systems I have not run into this being an issue for me yet.

This is the same for some other synths as well. If you have Falcon for example load the Boids Nebulae Sequence in the Factory 2 library in Bitwig, play a note and look at the DSP Performance Graph and see all the spikes show up there. Now disable the Boids script processor and play a note. No spikes. Does this mean that UVI should remove the Boids script or that they must optimise it so that it doesn't cause any spikes when used? Or is that just a natural cause of using the functionality in that script? To me I accept that using that script has that effect and determine if the cost of using it is worth it or not for the patch I am working on.

If it only happens with certain patches in Avenger then it seems that there is not a fundamental issue with Avenger that causes the spikes but rather some specific functions. Maybe you can identify which functions are causing you issues and then contact support to see if there is anything they could optimise in those to help you?

[Hanz Meyzer]

LOL... Obviously I don't have a rare machine, but a very usual M1pro macbook pro. Manuel wrote the same nonsense years ago when I mentioned the spikes on my core i7 pc. This just seem to be a very bad business practise to blame the customers for their software problems. So they themselves destroyed their reputation completely here, and seem neither willing to change that nor willing to realize this bad, unprofessional practise...

I'll take it as it very likely is: Avenger still spikes AF in very uncommon ways, on almost any kind of processor, no matter what os or computer. That's the truth, no matter what nonsense or fanboi texts you will write here, filling this thread with false information to mislead potential customers. There seems to be a reason why there is no demo version available. Since you could find out that Avenger 2 spikes AF.

[Jac459]

LOL... Obviously I don't have a rare machine, but a very usual M1pro macbook pro. Manuel wrote the same nonsense years ago when I mentioned the spikes on my core i7 pc. This just seem to be a very bad business practise to blame the customers for their software problems. So they themselves destroyed their reputation completely here, and seem neither willing to change that nor willing to realize this bad practise...

I'll take it as it very likely is: Avenger still spikes AF in very uncommon ways, on almost any kind of processor, no matter what os or computer. That's the truth, no matter what nonsense or fanboi texts you will write here, filling this thread with false information to mislead potential customers. There seems to be a reason why there is no demo version available. Since you could find out that Avenger 2 spikes AF.

So basically if I try to summarise your point, you are blaming the people using the v2.0.5 because they are giving wrong feedbacks about the spikes disappearing because they are all bad fanboys.

But you, who don't have the v2 and have never tested it, you know much better... So you try to protect the people who have not bought the v2 and you bring them your deep knowledge... That you have built by.... not tried ever the v2.



Ok, yeah, sure, go on, makes a lot of sense.

[zerocrossing]

I have a very simple rule: no demo, no buy. Simple as that. I’m interested in Avenger 2, but not to the point where I’m going to deal with buying it and asking for a refund if it doesn’t perform well on my system. Also, it seems like they are ignoring polyphonic aftertouch, which is something I use all the time, so if you can’t be bothered to support the minimum MIDI spec, I’m not interested.

[Jac459]

I have a very simple rule: no demo, no buy. Simple as that. I’m interested in Avenger 2, but not to the point where I’m going to deal with buying it and asking for a refund if it doesn’t perform well on my system. Also, it seems like they are ignoring polyphonic aftertouch, which is something I use all the time, so if you can’t be bothered to support the minimum MIDI spec, I’m not interested.

Well we have all our own preferences and criterias... There are plenty of excellent products out there which basically give you ... choices. So you can go to another vendor without missing out.

And it is not like Avenger is for free...

But on my side and for my criteria, it is one of my favoriite synth...

[valgard590]

I have a very simple rule: no demo, no buy. Simple as that. I’m interested in Avenger 2, but not to the point where I’m going to deal with buying it and asking for a refund if it doesn’t perform well on my system. Also, it seems like they are ignoring polyphonic aftertouch, which is something I use all the time, so if you can’t be bothered to support the minimum MIDI spec, I’m not interested.

The same rule applies to me. No demo ? I can't test anything on my PC ? So I'm not buying the plugin I'm interested in.

[enCiphered]

I'll take it as it very likely is: Avenger still spikes AF in very uncommon ways, on almost any kind of processor, no matter what os or computer. That's the truth, no matter what nonsense or fanboi texts you will write here, filling this thread with false information to mislead potential customers. There seems to be a reason why there is no demo version available. Since you could find out that Avenger 2 spikes AF.

I see absolutely no reason to refuse a demo version for a software synth in 2023. Apparently, they've been aware for years that they can't fix this cpu bugs but don´t want to miss product sales.

[noiseboyuk]

I see absolutely no reason to refuse a demo version for a software synth in 2023.

Not getting dragged into the performance issues thing again, but there is a very obvious and very good reason to not have a demo - as I understand it it makes the plugin much easier to crack. I can see why a developer wouldn't want to do that.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Not getting dragged into the performance issues thing again, but there is a very obvious and very good reason to not have a demo - as I understand it it makes the plugin much easier to crack. I can see why a developer wouldn't want to do that.

That is only true for a single installer which then can turned into a full version by using a license. Obviously that is not true for a separate demo build which lacks of any save functionality for example.

Also the regular full version installers can be easily accessed, as soon as someone has a regged account... I bet it can be even downloaded without a login, if you know the url... So your argument once again is a straw man fallacy, but you seem to love to fight for these unprofessional business practises.

[simmo75]

I missed a an update, but wanted to report back that the latest version seems to have fixed the spikes on my MacBook. Thanks kindly devs!

[zvenx]

Apparently you are a fan boi lying...

(just in case you haven't been following, this is if I am understand correctly one of the latest accusations cast on anyone who the spiking has diminished or disappeared.)

This is why I couldn't be a developer (well apart from not enough dsp skills..).
I woudln't have the patience for some on kvr.. I would gladly say, ok keep your money.. moving along.
rsp

[MirkoVanHauten]

Found the fanboy.

[simmo75]

Huh? Fanboy?! You f**king idiots!!!

I was unable to use this until yesterday!!

I’m happy I can now, so reporting back. f**k off! Lol

EDIT: There was also a macOS update I installed too, i'm not sure if it was that, or the Avenger update that fixed it, and honestly couldn't care less, because it's working as expected now

[Mr D]

Hi folks,

I'm having a little frustration with Avenger 2:

I've got a synth sound.

As i play higher up the keyboard, i want the sound to filter more.

But because of this filtering, i also need a volume boost.

I'm finding it really hard to set up, because although you can create many keytrack modulation sources, they all seems to be tied to the settings in zones > modmatrix keytrack controls (i mean the position of those 3 keyboard sliders).

But i don't really undertand this. Surely each keytrack modulation source should be completely independent of any other?

Am i missing something here?

I've been away from Avenger for a while so it could be i forgot how to set this up properly.

Cheers!

[Jac459]

Hi folks,

I'm having a little frustration with Avenger 2:

I've got a synth sound.

As i play higher up the keyboard, i want the sound to filter more.

But because of this filtering, i also need a volume boost.

I'm finding it really hard to set up, because although you can create many keytrack modulation sources, they all seems to be tied to the settings in zones > modmatrix keytrack controls (i mean the position of those 3 keyboard sliders).

But i don't really undertand this. Surely each keytrack modulation source should be completely independent of any other?

Am i missing something here?

I've been away from Avenger for a while so it could be i forgot how to set this up properly.

Cheers!

Sorry I don't get why you need the keytracking to be independant as a source?
You just need different destinations no? For filter and volume. Also you shouldn't care about the zoning as if you are not in the right zone, your sound shouldn't play...

Edit: ok I think you have the issue because you play with the global volume correct? You should chose a gain specific to the routing of the zone you are playing.