VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[noiseboyuk]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

In Cubase on the Macbook M2 13.5 256 buffer, the peak meter hits 50%, real time sub 10%.

[noiseboyuk]

I had also posted this which may be germane to the topic Guy.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VPSAven ... 175870861/

rsp

Thanks - is there a way to directly link this as an image? If so I can put it right in the OP, at the moment I can only post the Facebook link.

[zvenx]

Not that I am aware of but you can copy and paste the text and link it like this:

"to make this clear once and for all, we never did and never will "sue" anyone using complete loops, sequences or whatever. Of course you should make your own music. For example there were "releases" by "labels" on apple music etc, which basically were just our complete demo tracks (!). Also we have constantly false youtube claims from automatic AI's, claiming our official sound demos belong to label xy, but in fact they only released the music of an artist, who used some of our Nexus or Avenger arps 1:1. To be able to counter prove these claims we keep owning the copyright on paper. Stop posting chatGPT bs or other false posts. Just make music. Regarding YT claims, which YOU can get when using unaltered pre-made Sequences - that is not our problem, we wont interfere there. (Would be a fulltime job anyways...) These claims are made by bots of revenue collecting labels. You will have to live with that if you use unaltered Sequences 1:1. Thats not only true for our products, thats true for every product on the market you use. Its a thing of our "good new all-digital times" we all have to live with." - Manuel Schleis July 17th 2023

I suppose.
rsp

[zvenx]

M1 Max, Sonoma, Studio One 6.5, buffer 128

Screenshot 2023-12-16 at 9.31.07 AM.jpg

p.s. on Cubendo, my usual DAW of choice, the peak meter was indeed full but there were no audible glitches or clicks.
rsp

[Jac459]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

Mac Studio, M1 Max, Monterey, Logic 10.7.9, buffer 128.


Screenshot 2023-12-16 at 14.03.41.png

Edit: When I enable the 'sequence' macro, the CPU gets more reasonable. It seems to be the 'chord 2' osc (spectral) which is causing the insane CPU use, which the sequence macro disables when active.

Ok I went on the preset by default (not macro sequence enabled). I set to play every sixteenth note so it makes the things a bit harder for avenger and my cpu and I set the buffer to 128.
I am on m2 pro with "low power mode" on (so far from max).

Mac activity monitor shows... CPU idle 83%.
Bitwig DSP monitor shows a strong usage (maybe 30% with big spikes every beginning of note).

These spikes are a problem .... or not... They are not showed in the apple activity monitor for sure.

So who is right ? In order to decide, if the spikes are real cpu congestion I should be near to have drops or cracks.
So I tried to duplicate the track with the same presets 16 times.
No issue, no drop, no crack.
I added a bunch of other synths (15) playing different stuffs from my songs, no problem.
No issue, no drop, no crack.
..

So my conclusion is... I will return doing music .

[Jac459]

M1 Max, Sonoma, Studio One 6.5, buffer 128
Screenshot 2023-12-16 at 9.31.07 AM.jpg



p.s. on Cubend, my usual DAW of choice, the real time peak was indeed full but there were no glitches or clicks.
rsp

Yes it seems definitely more a problem on how CPU usage is accounted than a real problem.

[noiseboyuk]

Not that I am aware of but you can copy and paste the text and link it like this:

"to make this clear once and for all, we never did and never will "sue" anyone using complete loops, sequences or whatever. Of course you should make your own music. For example there were "releases" by "labels" on apple music etc, which basically were just our complete demo tracks (!). Also we have constantly false youtube claims from automatic AI's, claiming our official sound demos belong to label xy, but in fact they only released the music of an artist, who used some of our Nexus or Avenger arps 1:1. To be able to counter prove these claims we keep owning the copyright on paper. Stop posting chatGPT bs or other false posts. Just make music. Regarding YT claims, which YOU can get when using unaltered pre-made Sequences - that is not our problem, we wont interfere there. (Would be a fulltime job anyways...) These claims are made by bots of revenue collecting labels. You will have to live with that if you use unaltered Sequences 1:1. Thats not only true for our products, thats true for every product on the market you use. Its a thing of our "good new all-digital times" we all have to live with." - Manuel Schleis July 17th 2023

I suppose.
rsp

Great, thank you zvenx, that's in the OP now.

[Jac459]

Can you post that reply? I must have missed it and I'm very aware of the issue, so having it buried in a years-old thread is pretty useless. I can then add it to the OP.

I am posting (again) the reply but I really hope (stupidly maybe) that it would not feed more discussion about spikes on this thread. If people want to talk about spikes and all, they can create their own thread, but I really hope that this thread named "Avenger 2" will come back to talk about real interesting stuffs about Avenger 2 like the features, the presets and all... Not some imaginary issues...

"Hi XXXXX,

thank you for your email.

I can assure that we try to improve the performance with every update we release for the VPS Avenger.
One big problem here is, that there are no audio crackles while we test the Avenger on our Mac M1. So its hard for us to find the issue.

At the moment Rene does check every Preset that has a CPU usage peek above 10% to see what process cause the biggest usage.
As soon as he finds a process that cause a big load, he tries to optimize it to reduce the CPU load.

These optimizations will later be found in Avenger 1.x updates as well as in Avenger 2.

I am sorry if this email does not fix your issue.
But we are working on it.

And please if you compare VSTs please also think about other functions that could cause high/lower CPU usage.

For Example automated parameters could cause a high CPU useage:
As of Serum version 1.33b4, there are over 450 parameters that can be automated, including oscillators, filters, envelopes, LFOs, effects, and modulation sources.
In the VPS Avenger version 1.8.2, there are over 6000+ parameters that can be automated.

This is not meant to be an excuse for high CPU loads or crackling audio, it's just to show that there is often more to it than people think.


Kind regards,
XXXXXXX
"

[zvenx]

Most Welcome.
I had the link connected the the quote.. yours missing that, I would add that (the former scientist in me who likes sourcing info always )

I have it written as:
Manuel Schleis July 17th 2023

rsp

Not that I am aware of but you can copy and paste the text and link it like this:

"to make this clear once and for all, we never did and never will "sue" anyone using complete loops, sequences or whatever. Of course you should make your own music. For example there were "releases" by "labels" on apple music etc, which basically were just our complete demo tracks (!). Also we have constantly false youtube claims from automatic AI's, claiming our official sound demos belong to label xy, but in fact they only released the music of an artist, who used some of our Nexus or Avenger arps 1:1. To be able to counter prove these claims we keep owning the copyright on paper. Stop posting chatGPT bs or other false posts. Just make music. Regarding YT claims, which YOU can get when using unaltered pre-made Sequences - that is not our problem, we wont interfere there. (Would be a fulltime job anyways...) These claims are made by bots of revenue collecting labels. You will have to live with that if you use unaltered Sequences 1:1. Thats not only true for our products, thats true for every product on the market you use. Its a thing of our "good new all-digital times" we all have to live with." - Manuel Schleis July 17th 2023

I suppose.
rsp

Great, thank you zvenx, that's in the OP now.

[Jac459]

Not that I am aware of but you can copy and paste the text and link it like this:

"to make this clear once and for all, we never did and never will "sue" anyone using complete loops, sequences or whatever. Of course you should make your own music. For example there were "releases" by "labels" on apple music etc, which basically were just our complete demo tracks (!). Also we have constantly false youtube claims from automatic AI's, claiming our official sound demos belong to label xy, but in fact they only released the music of an artist, who used some of our Nexus or Avenger arps 1:1. To be able to counter prove these claims we keep owning the copyright on paper. Stop posting chatGPT bs or other false posts. Just make music. Regarding YT claims, which YOU can get when using unaltered pre-made Sequences - that is not our problem, we wont interfere there. (Would be a fulltime job anyways...) These claims are made by bots of revenue collecting labels. You will have to live with that if you use unaltered Sequences 1:1. Thats not only true for our products, thats true for every product on the market you use. Its a thing of our "good new all-digital times" we all have to live with." - Manuel Schleis July 17th 2023

I suppose.
rsp

Great, thank you zvenx, that's in the OP now.

This is indeed a very good info that I didn't have...

[Jac459]

By the way, anybody else than me is pissed because the new cinematic loop extension sound just too brilliant and it may generate GAS issues ???

Common, I thought I was healed after Black Friday, but this extension kicks some serious ass.

[enCiphered]

But that statement above still doesn't clarify whether the vocals of a vocal expansion can be used for commercial purposes or not. Where is this post from this guy who asked for it, has it been deleted? Can´t find it anymore to link the question

[m-ac]

Thanks for testing and reporting back. Amazing how well some DAWs handle the same preset, especially Studio one. I guess logic and avenger will just never play as nice with each other as they do with other setups, especially with live input. I've lived with it since V1 was released so I can carry on. Maybe one day Apple will change things up their end with how they handle live track processing.

Did anyone purchase Dark? I don't make techno/EDM, but it sounds like there might be some nice cinematic sounds in there?

[noiseboyuk]

Most Welcome.
I had the link connected the the quote.. yours missing that, I would add that (the former scientist in me who likes sourcing info always )

Quit right. Fixed.

Careful now, we'll be having KVR useful if we have this kind of attention to detail...

[noiseboyuk]

I am posting (again) the reply...

Ah we're at cross purposes. I was referring to the licensing issue, which Zvenx has helped with.

I think we're all good now on the spikes - the knowledge to use 2.0.5 is in the OP FAQ.