VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[zvenx]

Most Welcome.
I had the link connected the the quote.. yours missing that, I would add that (the former scientist in me who likes sourcing info always )

Quit right. Fixed.

Careful now, we'll be having KVR useful if we have this kind of attention to detail...

Good gracious no... the earth will complete shift from its angle of rotation.
rsp

[Teksonik]

I had also posted this which may be germane to the topic Guy.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VPSAven ... 175870861/
rsp

Ok this needs further clarification as I'd forgotten all about this issue. Why would any developer add content to an instrument used to make music that can't be used to....make music....without fear of legal action? (however unlikely that action may be, at least until your song blows up and someone comes knocking at your door wanting their share of the profits).

Don't want people to use your sequences? Then don't add them to the content.

Now I don't use sequences made by others (might as well just use loops which I don't) but what about a nice distinctive lead sound for example?

If someone creates a song and uses the lead is that going to be an issue?

If someone affiliated with Vengeance no matter how loosely is going to use threads like this one to advertise their products then they can certainly answer a few simple questions.

"I don't want to talk about it any more" is really not the right answer.

[Old Crab]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

M1 Mac Mini - Ableton Suite 11.3.4 - Buffer = 512 Samples Latency = 13.9 ms
Using CH Sonic Stab as requested: CPU around 15% up to 24% while hammering notes.

[Caine123]

I had also posted this which may be germane to the topic Guy.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VPSAven ... 175870861/
rsp

Ok this needs further clarification as I'd forgotten all about this issue. Why would any developer add content to an instrument used to make music that can't be used to....make music....without fear of legal action? (however unlikely that action may be, at least until your song blows up and someone comes knocking at your door wanting their share of the profits).

Don't want people to use your sequences? Then don't add them to the content.

Now I don't use sequences made by others (might as well just use loops which I don't) but what about a nice distinctive lead sound for example?

If someone creates a song and uses the lead is that going to be an issue?

If someone affiliated with Vengeance no matter how loosely is going to use threads like this one to advertise their products then they can certainly answer a few simple questions.

"I don't want to talk about it any more" is really not the right answer.

yeah it smells somehow shady and whats so hard posting it on a FAQ on your website or something. if you buy royalty free sample packs you can use them too. the problem is there is not many people bringing this up, if Doctormix would do it (i guess he wouldnt cause you know promotion and shit) then Vengeance would reply and wouldnt reply like this.

and i guess sales are so well they might not care about a few voices here and there. thats how it always works. it is not u-He or some other companies i respect nearly 100%.

they didnt even reply if you can downgrade again if you upgraded to v2.

[scoplunk]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

Mac Studio, M1 Max, Monterey, Logic 10.7.9, buffer 128, Avenger 2.0.5

I'm on a Macbook Pro, M1 Pro, Ventura, Logic 10.8.1, buffer 128 and my results are identical to yours. The Avenger CPU shows 12%, but the Logic CPU shows 100%. The good news is that the program seems to play without breaking up. Of course, I'm playing it completely by itself, so I have no idea what would happen if I tried this with a track also playing.

But, I've already noticed that the CPU spiking problems on my computer have been related to the spectral oscillator. Actually, Avenger 2 was unusable with a lot of the spectral oscillator programs in the initial versions, but has gotten better with each revision. Thanks for that!

Still, I wanted to explore a little, so I soloed the Chord 2 oscillator and looked around. If you go to the Editor and uncheck the Transient button directly above the waveform display, the Logic CPU meter goes below 50%. The attack doesn't have the punch it did before, but I would like to know what the transient button is doing that's making such a big difference on the CPU.

The spectral FFT mode is set to Song/Mix. So, I decided to change FFT modes to see if that helped. I turned on transient again and went through all the FFT modes and this issue with the CPU and transient being on is only really bad with Song/Mix and Drone. In the case of this particular program, I think the difference in the sound for Chord 2 is not so much different with the Simple FFT mode that it can't be used in the context of the overall program (unless you want to use this on low notes where the Song/Mix mode is obviously better) and it literally uses half the CPU.

Anyway, I'd love to know what's going on with the transient feature that makes the CPU use jump up so much and especially only on some FFT modes.

[Jac459]

Anyway, I'd love to know what's going on with the transient feature that makes the CPU use jump up so much and especially only on some FFT modes.

It jumps but you can still play a lot without any drop or artefact so....

[Jac459]

yeah it smells somehow shady

There's a YouTube video showing all the songs who are in fact just avenger sequences and somebody singing on it. They never sued but at least they make sure that they keep the right of their sequences... Fair enough. It is good enough for me.

they didnt even reply if you can downgrade again if you upgraded to v2.

Them answering on kvr is there choice only. If you want an answer use the support contact. They are reactive and answer questions.

History has proven that them addressing these kind of issue here is not very productive with everybody over scrutinising and commenting.

[m-ac]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

Mac Studio, M1 Max, Monterey, Logic 10.7.9, buffer 128, Avenger 2.0.5

I'm on a Macbook Pro, M1 Pro, Ventura, Logic 10.8.1, buffer 128 and my results are identical to yours. The Avenger CPU shows 12%, but the Logic CPU shows 100%. The good news is that the program seems to play without breaking up. Of course, I'm playing it completely by itself, so I have no idea what would happen if I tried this with a track also playing.

But, I've already noticed that the CPU spiking problems on my computer have been related to the spectral oscillator. Actually, Avenger 2 was unusable with a lot of the spectral oscillator programs in the initial versions, but has gotten better with each revision. Thanks for that!

Still, I wanted to explore a little, so I soloed the Chord 2 oscillator and looked around. If you go to the Editor and uncheck the Transient button directly above the waveform display, the Logic CPU meter goes below 50%. The attack doesn't have the punch it did before, but I would like to know what the transient button is doing that's making such a big difference on the CPU.

The spectral FFT mode is set to Song/Mix. So, I decided to change FFT modes to see if that helped. I turned on transient again and went through all the FFT modes and this issue with the CPU and transient being on is only really bad with Song/Mix and Drone. In the case of this particular program, I think the difference in the sound for Chord 2 is not so much different with the Simple FFT mode that it can't be used in the context of the overall program (unless you want to use this on low notes where the Song/Mix mode is obviously better) and it literally uses half the CPU.

Anyway, I'd love to know what's going on with the transient feature that makes the CPU use jump up so much and especially only on some FFT modes.

Thanks, and good job with the investigation. Be sure to share your findings with support

[Rabid]

Still trying to decide if I want to upgrade. I really wish they would focus less on "1 note wonder" patches and more on expressive single sound patches. Would love to have a "lite" version with all the sounds and effects and none of the sequences. Maybe I'm just not in their target market.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Ok, took a chance and purchased V2. Third preset I try and my CPU hits 100%. When you get a moment, could any of you test Factory 2 > Chords > CH Sonic Stab and see what your CPU use is like? A single note sends my CPU to 100%.

M1 Mac Mini - Ableton Suite 11.3.4 - Buffer = 512 Samples Latency = 13.9 ms
Using CH Sonic Stab as requested: CPU around 15% up to 24% while hammering notes.

Tried this and was curious particularly because I am experiencing no spikes or CPU issues so far.

M2 Pro Mac mini, Logic, 256 buffer - when playing this patch live, CPU shoots up to 75%.
When playing back recorded sequence and not having track selected for live play, CPU is a stable 24%, with no spikes.

Turned transient off and it went from 75% to about 45% when playing live.

[scoplunk]

Strange. When I set my buffer to 256 on my M1, my CPU is never much above 60% for this patch. When Transient is off, it's near 25%. I have no idea why the M1 pro is doing better than the M2 pro. I'd be curious to see what your machine does with a 128 buffer.

So, the buffer size makes a big difference. I mean, there's always a difference, but this is bigger than I expected. I think that someone above was talking about how he never has any problems, but then mentioned that he uses a 512 buffer. That's great, but completely unusable for live playing IMHO.

I turned on the tooltips to see what Transient is supposed to be doing and it's supposedly playing back the original sample attack in addition to the spectral/granular oscillator. But, playing back a sample attack doesn't seem like it would take a lot of horsepower. There must be something else going on or maybe I'm misunderstanding what the tooltip is describing.

[Jac459]

Still trying to decide if I want to upgrade. I really wish they would focus less on "1 note wonder" patches and more on expressive single sound patches. Would love to have a "lite" version with all the sounds and effects and none of the sequences. Maybe I'm just not in their target market.

I think this synth is perfect for 2 categories of people out of 3.
It is great for people using presets only.
And it is great for people doing pur sound design.

On the contrary, it is annoying for people in-between, tweaking presets because there is so much things to clean before going to the actual preset.

But over time I leaned to live with it and be very happy with it . The point is, every part of avenger has presets. Filters, modulations, effects, all have excellent presets.
So at the end, it is awesome value for money and creating sounds with it is a pleasure.

[noiseboyuk]

Still trying to decide if I want to upgrade. I really wish they would focus less on "1 note wonder" patches and more on expressive single sound patches. Would love to have a "lite" version with all the sounds and effects and none of the sequences. Maybe I'm just not in their target market.

I do have quite a bit of sympathy with this. It is more pronounced on the expansions, where SQs and ARPs can be most or are in some cases all of the expansion. When you consider that these are likely to generate copyright strikes (though presumably not Generative?), it does all seem a bit nuts. SQs are essentially fun demos to show off what it can do (I appreciate you can just use individual layers, modify them etc, but it's not a good workflow in general). Why would you want more than 3 or 4 demos per expensive expansion?

ARPs I think have jumped the shark. Personally I want old school arps based around the notes you play, not with whole melodies in there.

On the other hand, I think there might be a good market now for 3rd party expansions which in general seem to use a lot less of this. It might be useful to have a list of 3rd party devs in the OP, come to think of it.

[gaf_thit]

Has anyone had luck upgrading a 2nd hand license? No replies from support.
Can't use third party either.

[Mr Zorro]

@Manuel
Is it possible to buy the Avenger licence during discount but intall it later on, for example in januari? I wonder beacause my computer just died and i dont have any music computer right now to install to? Or is it connected to the Avenger account?