Syntronik 2 Discussions

[Dark Fiber]

Quick question: if you buy Syntronik 2 Max v2 and just want to use the String Box, do you need to install the full sample pack (240 GB) ?

no, you can install the individuals if you want

great, thanks!

54 pages and no one even mentioned "ensemble" once.
I'm referring to the ensemble effect in the String Box.
How is it compared to UVI's (string machines 2) or Gforce's VSM?

[dreamvoid]

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

[SLiC]

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

Big load of samples, fixed waveforms with generic filters, fx etc. it sounds good but it’s pretty limited….more Rompler than synth.

[Chipi]

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

Big load of samples, fixed waveforms with generic filters, fx etc. it sounds good but it’s pretty limited….more Rompler than synth.

I don't agree at all with what you say. I bought the 33 synths for only 199 and the editing, effects and automation from Bitwig is phenomenal. There are no crackles or crashes of any kind and the analog sound I get out of arpeggios and simple oscillators is just awesome. I have every synth you can imagine, from UVI's Falcon, to Omnisphere, VPS Avenger, Pigments, Electra, Icarus, Dune, Zebra, etc...and in many of the presets I've been able to program with Syntronk, none come close to the quality of this one. Clearly the oscillators are wave samples, but of superior quality. The 'Drift' option from the edit panel, and the filter envelope are great. The LFO's are of high quality and the effects sit perfectly on the sounds. Logically there are some limitations. The installation of each synth is archaic and I have duplicated many oscillators when re-installing. I now have all 5,000 sounds for fun. Seriously, if you hit the knobs and have any idea how the synthesizers of those years worked, then the Syntronik 2 will give you a lot of satisfaction. I hope IKMultimedia makes more synthesizers to add. Awesome synth that works incredibly well under Bitwig 5.1 (The best DAW of 2023), for only $199? You're kidding me...

[AnalogGuy1]

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

Big load of samples, fixed waveforms with generic filters, fx etc. it sounds good but it’s pretty limited….more Rompler than synth.

I've got to agree with this assessment. Chipi is correct that it has a ton of sounds for a reasonable price, and ON TOP of the sampled sounds one can add effects, LFOs, and envelopes, but ultimately they're all just add-ons. If you just want a nice sound (and there are so many in there that you'll find plenty to like), great. But, if you're trying to nail a particular sound, and you find that it was sampled with a too-long attack, you can't make it shorter. (You could overlay a slow attack envelope on top of the sample, but you can't go in the other way). It's essentially just a big (very big) rompler of nicely-sampled sounds with the ability to add LFO/ADSR modulation and after affects. Great for discovering lots of neat sounds, not so good for sound designing a particular sound.

[Scotty]

I don't think this does the series justice. The samples are done very well and have the character of the instrument. The filters are not generic. I don't know where that comes from. They are modelled but often interchangeable. The synthesis engine isn't deep but the effects engines are comprehensive. If you don't have high quality emulation and you are craving the core tone of the instruments these will take you there. Yes you may need to add some automation or external processing but I can live with that. YMMV.

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

Big load of samples, fixed waveforms with generic filters, fx etc. it sounds good but it’s pretty limited….more Rompler than synth.

I've got to agree with this assessment. Chipi is correct that it has a ton of sounds for a reasonable price, and ON TOP of the sampled sounds one can add effects, LFOs, and envelopes, but ultimately they're all just add-ons. If you just want a nice sound (and there are so many in there that you'll find plenty to like), great. But, if you're trying to nail a particular sound, and you find that it was sampled with a too-long attack, you can't make it shorter. (You could overlay a slow attack envelope on top of the sample, but you can't go in the other way). It's essentially just a big (very big) rompler of nicely-sampled sounds with the ability to add LFO/ADSR modulation and after affects. Great for discovering lots of neat sounds, not so good for sound designing a particular sound.

[Chipi]

Can somebody please explain to me, if this is a complete emulation of synths with full modulation capabilities, like crossmodulation of OSC or audio rate FM of Filters etc., or 'just' a big load of samples with fixed waveforms going through a reduced chain of filters, effects etc.?
The collection has some interesting devices, but I would prefer full editing. I owned for example an Xpander and used its modulation possibilities a lot.

Big load of samples, fixed waveforms with generic filters, fx etc. it sounds good but it’s pretty limited….more Rompler than synth.

I've got to agree with this assessment. Chipi is correct that it has a ton of sounds for a reasonable price, and ON TOP of the sampled sounds one can add effects, LFOs, and envelopes, but ultimately they're all just add-ons. If you just want a nice sound (and there are so many in there that you'll find plenty to like), great. But, if you're trying to nail a particular sound, and you find that it was sampled with a too-long attack, you can't make it shorter. (You could overlay a slow attack envelope on top of the sample, but you can't go in the other way). It's essentially just a big (very big) rompler of nicely-sampled sounds with the ability to add LFO/ADSR modulation and after affects. Great for discovering lots of neat sounds, not so good for sound designing a particular sound.

Exactly, you said it right, I mean to have direct sounds with analog tinge, Syntronik sounds incredibly authentic, to design sounds from scratch does NOT work, but it still depends on the taste of each user.

[LFO8]

The LFO's are of high quality

wtf is an ‘high quality’ LFO as opposed to a regular old LFO?

[mcbpete]

"These ones oscillate to 11"

[lotus2035]

I'm missing just one of the Syntronik instruments and was looking to see what the price was, just discovered that Syntronik 2 is not for sale anymore. It's been completely nuked from the IK Multimedia website and I certainly never saw any kind of announcement not in the IK Newsletter or here on KVR or the IK forum. Nobody even mentioned it in this thread.
I feel like I dropped into bizarro world, When did this happen exactly and what does it mean for current users? Has anybody heard anything?

It's a great product and apart from UVI vintage vault there's no one else doing sample based synths on this scale as far as I know.

[Scotty]

Yeah, I noticed that it was missing from the Group Buy and also noticed it wasn't on the website. The sample based oscillators do sound really good even if the sound engine isn't fully featured. It still sounds like hardware and better than many plugins in my view.

I'm missing just one of the Syntronik instruments and was looking to see what the price was, just discovered that Syntronik 2 is not for sale anymore. It's been completely nuked from the IK Multimedia website and I certainly never saw any kind of announcement not in the IK Newsletter or here on KVR or the IK forum. Nobody even mentioned it in this thread.
I feel like I dropped into bizarro world, When did this happen exactly and what does it mean for current users? Has anybody heard anything?

It's a great product and apart from UVI vintage vault there's no one else doing sample based synths on this scale as far as I know.

[lotus2035]

Yeah, I noticed that it was missing from the Group Buy and also noticed it wasn't on the website. The sample based oscillators do sound really good even if the sound engine isn't fully featured. It still sounds like hardware and better than many plugins in my view.

Considering that you can load Syntronik instruments in SampleTank I wonder if IK are planning on merging the two going forwards. I prefer the separate plugin to be honest.
Also, I just found out that SampleTron has also been removed, another SampleTank compatible library.

[seangm]

I agree that Syntronik 2 sounds great and am bummed that they discontinued it. I really hope they don't merge it into Sampletank because I hate the ST interface with a passion. Always a nightmare trying to find my way around that thing and a workflow killer IMHO. Syntronik is at least easy to navigate. Too bad IK discontinued some great products like Syntronik, Mixbox and Sampletron. I have no idea what they were thinking with that move. Even if they just maintained them but didn't update them they would still be able to make some money selling those plugins with minimal development effort.

[lotus2035]

Oh Mixbox is discontinued too? What the hell. It's a bit worrying that so many products were let go, and as a regular IK user I didn't hear one word about any of this. Hopefully not much else will be on the chopping block. I always considered IK a solid staple that could be relied on in terms of longevity but now this changes things quite a bit.
As for Mixbox, I had always considered it a replacement of sorts for Nomad Factory's Magma.
Now my interest in the newer Nomad Factory releases is renewed and I'm wondering if Magma will now get a reboot.

[seangm]

Oh Mixbox is discontinued too? What the hell.

Yes unfortunately it's discontinued, confirmed on the IK forums here:

https://forum.ikmultimedia.com/viewtopic.php?t=41070