One Synth Challenge #179: Any One Synth (ZioMau wins!) (Updated Prize)

[doctorbob]

... finding out what made the sound unstable in the first place.

Usual suspect is OSC sync and phase. But then, I'm sure you are well aware of that!
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[PeterBPL]

My question is, if sampling the synth in this way is never permitted, to what do the rules refer where they say, "Samplers used must be host samplers or freeware and easily available?" Is there a situation where you would need to record to a sampler to play back once, but couldn't simply bounce the track to audio in the DAW?

The rules are general, so I assume this one is important when selected plugin is sample based only.

[PeterBPL]

... finding out what made the sound unstable in the first place.

Usual suspect is OSC sync and phase. But then, I'm sure you are well aware of that!
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In Zebra it may be also parameter called "resolution". For some reason.

[Negoba]

Freezing should be fine. Rendering and then using the files in a sampler (even something simple like Sitala) is what I was told was a no-no.

[Rahodees]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

It's waveform's free micro drum sampler, so really just basic sequencing, not using it for anything fancy.

IMO it's a little strange - if you have drums generated by synth, you can just made drum section using DAW the same good (or even better) as in separate plugn

What do you mean by "as in separate plugin" here? Are you talking about a plugin that can sequence multiple midi tracks within a DAW? I'd like to have one of those, every time I get one I think will do that, it can only control a single track. I'm probably missing something obvious. (I was using the Sower extension in Reaper to do this, and it worked great! But Reaper for some reason has stopped running stably for me, it keeps crashing now. :/ )

[Rahodees]

I think people who want to sequence their drums together typically send the MIDI from one track to many, filtering the specific notes each instrument track will handle, or have other solutions for routing the input to multiple synth instances.

This is exactly what I have been trying to figure out how to do. I don't know why it's been so mysterious to me but it has been, unfortunately.

I was using Sower in Reaper to basically handle this for me, but Reaper on my machine has stopped being stable for some reason, so I've switched at least for now to Waveform Free and am back to not having any idea how to do what you described.

DAWs are one of the few things in life that make me actually feel certifiably stupid sometimes lol. But I keep at it.

[Rahodees]

then I explode that track out to single percussion tracks

How you do that?

[PeterBPL]

IMO it's a little strange - if you have drums generated by synth, you can just made drum section using DAW the same good (...) as in separate plugn

What do you mean by "as in separate plugin" here? (...)

I mean "(you can) made drum section in DAW as good as in separate plugin". So just use notes the way you normally using in your DAW. If is too time consuming or not very convenient... well, it's your DAW of choice. For me using additional drum sequencers is more time consuming.

I used KV Element plugin few times and it has nice options - you can even trigger different plugins depends on note using and create one big multi-instrument / multi-effect preset. But that would be really time consuming.

[3lu5iv3]

here's my submission.

https://soundcloud.com/3lu5iv3/salty-nose

7 X Tone2 Warlock

1 X ReaEQ
1 X SPAN
1 X StereoTool
1 X ReaLimit
1 X Szechuan Saturator
1 X Cramit

Reaper 7.09

[doctorbob]

then I explode that track out to single percussion tracks

How you do that?

In Reaper I use the action

Item: Explode MIDI note rows (pitch) to new items

I have linked that to my F8 key ...

Also, if you label the rows using the "File/Note/CC names/Load note/CC names from file" those names get carried over to the track names. I use a GM drum definition file, so things like Bass Drum, Electric Snare etc get carried over to the new tracks - very useful.

This is the "File" menu in the midi editor. Also worth View/hide unused rows, and only those rows with events will be exploded to individual tracks.

HTH

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[maxym.srpl]

Yeah... using MIDI generators is a pretty interesting subject.
But at the same time it's cleared out by existing rule:

Midi plugins are allowed, or sending midi from one Daw to another.
Output from any commercial midi plugins or another DAW should be rendered to midi in the timeline

So as long as the result generated by those generators, sequencers, arpeggiators is recorded as MIDI items in DAW (and can be played back without utilizing them any more) - their usage is allowed.

Question coming from a gray zone is, is it allowed to use sequences provided by those (commercial) sequencers in their presets? But I understand it as "yes, it's allowed" since for a lot of them would be impossible to prove that fact.

[doctorbob]

The key point is that the MIDI from whatever source should be on a track in the DAW and rendered with the synth as per any other MIDI items on tracks. i.e. audio is only generated by the synth in the DAW, not externally and/or imported.

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[ZioMau]

This is exactly what I have been trying to figure out how to do. I don't know why it's been so mysterious to me but it has been, unfortunately.

I was using Sower in Reaper to basically handle this for me, but Reaper on my machine has stopped being stable for some reason, so I've switched at least for now to Waveform Free and am back to not having any idea how to do what you described.

DAWs are one of the few things in life that make me actually feel certifiably stupid sometimes lol. But I keep at it.

Well if you can do it in Reaper it's quite easy:
1 track for any sound of the drums (kick, snare,...).
From first track(i use kick track) open a send to other track(s) (important: set the send to "pre fader e pre fx". Set sending only for midi and "none" for audio in the lower corners of the dialog box). Before sound generator plugin insert a js named MidiNoteFilter and let receive for each track only one key adjusting the range(i.e. i use C2 for kick and C4 for snare). Finally you can play drums from sending track. If you need to transpose the pitch or other you can use a note mapper on top of the chain. If you want i can give a working Reaper project file. Don't know on other daw

[Full Bucket]

Here is my submission:
https://soundcloud.com/full-bucket/full ... stans-harp

• A single hardware Waldorf Streichfett played live by me and by a Korg SQ-1 hardware sequencer.
• The output was sent to a (non-modulating!) Soma COSMOS (hardware, too).
• Mastering effect: Ozone 8 (commercial, software).
• Recorded in one single go (no overdubs) with Reaper 64.

Cheers, Björn

[loord]

Hi guys,uploaded my track and link is:
I WRITE LINK AND IT NOT APPEARS???
https://soundcloud.com/verba/vpl2-4419- ... al_sharing
I was thinking make track Private to have time improve enough,but now don't know how change Private to Public/probably that is reason my track does not appears here /....

Used PSR-740,MKII,Nuendo 2,FLS 12,Reaktor 6,Cool Edit,MPC,AIR Compressor,Limiter,EQ,Delay