Plugin UI scaling per plugin?

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As far as I can tell, Bitwig just has the single setting for all plugins.
Recently realized that Ableton Live has a setting per plugin for UI scaling.

I need to use plugin UI scaling on my surface pro otherwise some plugins like NI Massive and reaktor and FM8 are just tiny and unusable. But using plugin scaling makes some plugins like GForce look very blurry and barely readable (whereas they look great without the scaling on).

Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:18 pm As far as I can tell, Bitwig just has the single setting for all plugins.
Recently realized that Ableton Live has a setting per plugin for UI scaling.

I need to use plugin UI scaling on my surface pro otherwise some plugins like NI Massive and reaktor and FM8 are just tiny and unusable. But using plugin scaling makes some plugins like GForce look very blurry and barely readable (whereas they look great without the scaling on).

Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?
For most plugins, Bitwig lets me drag the plugin window edge, to increase/decrease the size.
But that changed plugin Window size doesnt get saved / isnt saveable into the preset.
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nowiamone wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:12 pm
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:18 pm As far as I can tell, Bitwig just has the single setting for all plugins.
Recently realized that Ableton Live has a setting per plugin for UI scaling.

I need to use plugin UI scaling on my surface pro otherwise some plugins like NI Massive and reaktor and FM8 are just tiny and unusable. But using plugin scaling makes some plugins like GForce look very blurry and barely readable (whereas they look great without the scaling on).

Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?
For most plugins, Bitwig lets me drag the plugin window edge, to increase/decrease the size.
But that changed plugin Window size doesnt get saved / isnt saveable into the preset.
Yeah that's resizing the plugin itself, which is different from the scaling setting in the plugins section of the settings. Plugin resizing is up to the plugin entirely. The s along affects the plugins starting size.

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Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:18 pm Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?
Yes :-)
But it's well hidden, support hinted me into it:

In the browser, you can right-click on individual plugins and toggle "Stretch Plug-in Window to match DPI".
This solved all issues I had with misbehaving plugins where the GUI was off (running Windows scaling at 125%).
You may need to re-instantiate the plugin for it to work afterwards.

This may not help with old tiny plugins though, it's mostly to get around issues with High-DPI scaling.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Tom
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ThomasHelzle wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:06 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:18 pm Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?
Yes :-)
But it's well hidden, support hinted me into it:

In the browser, you can right-click on individual plugins and toggle "Stretch Plug-in Window to match DPI".
This solved all issues I had with misbehaving plugins where the GUI was off (running Windows scaling at 125%).
You may need to re-instantiate the plugin for it to work afterwards.

This may not help with old tiny plugins though, it's mostly to get around issues with High-DPI scaling.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Tom
Interesting thanks. So using this setting would you leave the global one on and this fixes the blurry ones so you can use them in high resolution? Or leave global setting off and only do this where needed? Your last comment seemed to suggest the second option would not work. I'll have to play with it.

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I have the global setting on - which works for most plugins - and then toggle the "local" one for those who break.
What the setting can't do is making old plugins larger, that's what I meant with my last remark.

Cheers,

Tom
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ThomasHelzle wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:06 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:18 pm Am I missing a way to set this per plugin in Bitwig, as is possible in Ableton?
Yes :-)
But it's well hidden, support hinted me into it:

In the browser, you can right-click on individual plugins and toggle "Stretch Plug-in Window to match DPI".
This solved all issues I had with misbehaving plugins where the GUI was off (running Windows scaling at 125%).
You may need to re-instantiate the plugin for it to work afterwards.

This may not help with old tiny plugins though, it's mostly to get around issues with High-DPI scaling.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Tom
I have tried this setting and I have no idea what it does. Has zero effect on any plugin. No plugin changes size at all with this on or off. ?

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Yes, that is what I was trying to say: It only fixes issues when you have problems with the GUI.
I had several from Arturia and other manufacturers where the visible GUI was smaller than the plugin window while the hot-zones of the controls were correctly scaled, so it was almost impossible to find where the actual fader or know was located.
This is especially common with scalings like 125%, which MS doesn't recommend but is exactly what my laptop needs.

The individual setting only is for the High-DPI setting, not a general scaling.
(And you need to create a new plugin instance after changing this or restart Bitwig)

Cheers and sorry if I led you astray.

Cheers,

Tom
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