Making a Piezo sound less like sh*t

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hotmitts wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:54 am Well I had a go (in Reason) mostly with stock EQ's. My example starts with the original piezo sound followed by the processed sound

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KS2sWa ... sp=sharing

It's a while since I shared audio, don't know if this is the best way but anyway..so yes it's mainly EQ but I split the signal into low, mid , high then sterio-ised that a little, added reverb on highs. Added a slight Maximiser and stereo widener
screenshot:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UohUVU ... sp=sharing
Had a bit of a fiddle about with the original unprocessed part of your file, using an acoustic guitar IR from 3 sigma audio, bit of small ambience reverb before it, and an eq curve nicked from Jimmy Page on 'That's The Way' :hihi:, using TDR Nova GE;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XaOc-e ... sp=sharing

Through the magic of technology I also made an impulse response snapshot of it. Load it into a convolution plug-in at 100% wet and you should get the same sound;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-1frU ... sp=sharing

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I've always had good luck with a transient shaper > EQ> real fast compressor> whatever other processing. Generally end up going back and redoing that stuff with a mic or using the original acoustic/ electric take as a backing layer.
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donkey tugger wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:45 am
Had a bit of a fiddle about with the original unprocessed part of your file, using an acoustic guitar IR from 3 sigma audio, bit of small ambience reverb before it, and an eq curve nicked from Jimmy Page on 'That's The Way' :hihi:, using TDR Nova GE;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XaOc-e ... sp=sharing

Through the magic of technology I also made an impulse response snapshot of it. Load it into a convolution plug-in at 100% wet and you should get the same sound;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-1frU ... sp=sharing
Thank you, that does sound very convincing ! I'm just trying a free IR loader called Pulse

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[/quote] Had a bit of a fiddle about with the original unprocessed part of your file.../quote]

That sounds pretty good to me. I like to blend in some Rhodes Chorus effect using Acon Digital's freeware, Multiply. Lots of options once you get a good basic sound like you have done.

EDIT: Not groovin' with the quote function for some reason. :borg:

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donkey tugger wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:45 am
Had a bit of a fiddle about with the original unprocessed part of your file, using an acoustic guitar IR from 3 sigma audio, bit of small ambience reverb before it, and an eq curve nicked from Jimmy Page on 'That's The Way' :hihi:, using TDR Nova GE;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XaOc-e ... sp=sharing

Through the magic of technology I also made an impulse response snapshot of it. Load it into a convolution plug-in at 100% wet and you should get the same sound;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-1frU ... sp=sharing
I had a chance to test it with the Impulse VST I got yesterday... Just want to say, it sounds great ! And thank you! Much appreciated.

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hotmitts wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:20 pm
donkey tugger wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:45 am
Had a bit of a fiddle about with the original unprocessed part of your file, using an acoustic guitar IR from 3 sigma audio, bit of small ambience reverb before it, and an eq curve nicked from Jimmy Page on 'That's The Way' :hihi:, using TDR Nova GE;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XaOc-e ... sp=sharing

Through the magic of technology I also made an impulse response snapshot of it. Load it into a convolution plug-in at 100% wet and you should get the same sound;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E-1frU ... sp=sharing
I had a chance to test it with the Impulse VST I got yesterday... Just want to say, it sounds great ! And thank you! Much appreciated.
You're welcome! Enjoy messing about with stuff like that. :D

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lfm wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:15 am
hotmitts wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:37 pm mmm another possiblity - seems the answer might well be to save up for the right guitar
...and unless you get a Taylor get guitar without any pickups and get a kksound pure mini to glue inside guitar on wooden block where string balls end up.
- lovely wooden sound from guitar

£100 or so only, I bought from Andertons.co.uk last
https://www.kksound.com/pure-pickup
Seconding this. My old Takamine had an okay-ish piezo pickup, but after 15 years the preamp broke. Then I installed a K&K Pure Mini instead and I'm really happy how the sound turned out. It doesn't need batteries anymore (big win) and it sounds more round. Only thing is that it picks up more noise from the hand when I put them on the bridge (e.g. for muting).

I also had an old cheap guitar lying around, where I installed a much cheaper tranducer set for ~15€, and also that one sounded surprisingly good (but picking up also more noise from touching the Guitar).
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Though I've had a few, I've never been a fan of steel string acoustic guitars. I did better with either piezo in electric guitars (Parker) or nylon string guitars designed for piezo like my Godin ACS. The Godin did not survive well due to a lack of truss rod.

Most of my solid body guitars and all of my jazz boxes sound great going directly through my board with only slight adjustment for the trim level. Joe Pass in his later years would simply go directly into a board and put up a stage monitor near him because he wanted to hear more of the guitar tone and less of the amp sound.

Everyone think that electric guitars need an amp for tone shaping and generally associate it with crunch tones really hasn't explored clean tone on solid body guitars. Granted this can be a challenge when playing conventional single coil pups.

I started off on a 335. I tried to love acoustic guitars but it never worked out. I spent tonnes of money buying the next big thing in the long chase to get the most I could from acoustic guitars and I was always disappointed with the results.

Last night I was playing jazz standards on my MIM HH Telecaster. Sounded great straight through the board. I also worked out many of my favorite 60's and 70's acoustic stuff. Again while not sounding like a Martin; Guild, Taylor or Gibson acoustic it sounded great. Sure I've got acoustic sim effects on my MFX and even in my board as well as my daw. Didn't need them, didn't waste my time looking for them. Why? Tone comes from your hands first.
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I made a "body" IR from my acoustic guitar by playing a sine sweep into the soundhole and recording from a bit further away.

It can be mixed into the pickup DI to give a bit more boom as needed.

For this track I used that mix in the centre, with a sideways condenser mic providing the side channels: https://imrae.bandcamp.com/track/stop-following-me
I was going for quite a dark but intimate sound there; in a busier mix I'd EQ differently but the IR still gives a bit more time complexity to work with.

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Whilst waiting for my dinner to cook had a thought- what about using the fancy pants new AI stem separation technology to get rid of the vocals on a recording.

Had a quick go using the inbuilt FL Studio feature, and whist it was actually quite good quality, there were still too many artifacts in the highs to make it useable, for me anyway.

What I did think though, is maybe it could be low-passed to an extent and combined with a DI track recorded at the same time. I'll have a mess about later and see if the blending idea will work.

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Not too bad at all that.

Here's some random playing and 'singing' bleeding in (nice lyrics.. :hihi: ) recorded with the 12 string 'denim' acoustic guitar fairly close miked using my Sontronics small diaphragm condenser, no eq or any other processing etc;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-0plOS ... sp=sharing

Extracted the stems to 'vocals' and 'instruments' using FL Studio, and mixed in a bit of the high end of the DI piezo track I recorded at the same time to replace the transients lost through the separation process;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mTCMsC ... sp=sharing

Certainly think you'd get away with that as a rhythm guitar in a mix with the relevant eq/effects etc.

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imrae wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 11:15 am I made a "body" IR from my acoustic guitar by playing a sine sweep into the soundhole and recording from a bit further away.

It can be mixed into the pickup DI to give a bit more boom as needed.

For this track I used that mix in the centre, with a sideways condenser mic providing the side channels: https://imrae.bandcamp.com/track/stop-following-me
I was going for quite a dark but intimate sound there; in a busier mix I'd EQ differently but the IR still gives a bit more time complexity to work with.
Check out http://acousticir.free.fr/spip.php?article169 - I’ve not got around to doing it myself yet, but all the demo clips I’ve seen of people who have made IRs with this tool have been properly impressive

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