This is it! Bösendorfer 280VC for PIANOTEQ

[In The Mix]

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Quality over quantity?

Also, modartt have pretty much cornered the modelled piano market (and many, many more instruments, if you own the Pianoteq Studio bundle / all their instrument packs.)

Meanwhile, audio-modelling have all the other orchestral stuff covered by their SWAM product line.

Best thing, apart from super fast loading times and low file size footprint, are all the endless dynamic variations and articulations compared to bloated rigid sample libraries.

But hey, to each their own.

Funny thing is that I'm the one who actually posted playing the instrument! Maybe you should've posted a link to your music. That would've been the most descriptive way of getting the point across, no?

[MrJubbly]

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Quality over quantity?

Also, modartt have pretty much cornered the modelled piano market (and many, many more instruments, if you own the Pianoteq Studio bundle / all their instrument packs.)

Meanwhile, audio-modelling have all the other orchestral stuff covered by their SWAM product line.

Best thing, apart from super fast loading times and low file size footprint, are all the endless dynamic variations and articulations compared to bloated rigid sample libraries.

But hey, to each their own.

Funny thing is that I'm the one who actually posted playing the instrument! Maybe you should've posted a link to your music. That would've been the most descriptive way of getting the point across, no?

Is there anything I stated within the comment that you quoted that you disagree with?

My point was simply that, with the abundance of quality modelled instruments currently available, even if only available from a handful of devs, that it is possible to replace many large sample libraries.

But like I said previously, to each their own.

[mellotronaut]

Definitely sounds like a piano

[In The Mix]

Is there anything I stated within the comment that you quoted that you disagree with?

My point was simply that, with the abundance of quality modelled instruments currently available, even if only available from a handful of devs, that it is possible to replace many large sample libraries.

But like I said previously, to each their own.

In my own small way, I have proved that sample modeling actually works and that one can do creative and musical things in that context. At the end of the day, there are plenty 'sample libraries' out there that sound pretty bad. There was a guy on Gearslutz who was determined to prove why Pianoteq was terrible. Later on, he had no choice but to accept the challenge. He failed to properly identify the Pianoteq-based track out of a selection of only three recordings. This goes to show that sometimes people just repeat something they've read somewhere, and if enough people repeat that statement, it becomes accepted as fact!

As I said, I'm a supporter of sample modeling technology, and I really hope it becomes the norm one day. At this point, sample modeling is just a tool to be used alongside traditional sample libraries for working composers who need more. If I didn't need more, I would've definitely limited myself to libraries with a smaller footprint for sure.
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If anyone's new to this thread is interested in Pianoteq, here's a short Bösendorfer 280VC demo:

https://youtu.be/_dBRu3ocGSU

and this is another demo that I recorded a couple of years ago when Pianoteq 8 came out. It covers a number of presets if I remember correctly:

https://youtu.be/432LqGkBMg4

[pekbro]

I wonder if the Donner digital pianos are any good, their pricing certainly is...
@in the mix, you live in LA, if you get the chance go demo a Donner DDP-80 plus
if you should run across one anywhere and let us know thx youre the man

https://us.donnermusic.com/products/don ... 8da3&_ss=r

[Harry_HH]

Pianoteq is a raw instrument, like a real piano. It's not a polished and produced recording like you get with a sample library.

When you use Pianoteq, you need to do your own production. It's up to you to make it sound pretty. Just like a real engineer would do when recording a real piano.

”Pianoteq is a raw instrument, like a real piano.”

No - real piano is a breathing, organic instrument. Digital Pianoteq, on the contrary, is sterile, frozen approximation of the real piano.

[nirm123]

That's unfortunately entirely true. It's a nice effort but still sounds nothing like a raw piano.

[BBFG#]

"Raw piano" is the most laughable and pointless thing I've heard today (so far).
Maybe all you need is the Spectrasonics Burning Piano.
What makes an instrument an instrument has more factors than the narrow aspects some try to place it in.
No other plugin has been as expressive and accurate across the range of more aspects as Pianoteq has been for me. Could it be improved? Sure. And every major version upgrade has been for me.

[nirm123]

"Raw piano" is the most laughable and pointless thing I've heard today (so far).
Maybe all you need is the Spectrasonics Burning Piano.
What makes an instrument an instrument has more factors than the narrow aspects some try to place it in.
No other plugin has been as expressive and accurate across the range of more aspects as Pianoteq has been for me. Could it be improved? Sure. And every major version upgrade has been for me.

"expressive and accurate" is MUCH more laughable, and indeed people like you would enjoy it very much.

[BBFG#]

As I qualified it according to my tastes, your attempt at making it a pure ad hominem is becoming circular. Otherwise, I take the rest as a compliment. Thank you.

I wonder if these same people refuse to drive a car when it doesn't operate like the one they learned in when necessary. As many pianos as I've played, I've learned to be adaptable to what ever is necessary to use. However, Pianoteq gives me the smoothest drive in all terrains and conditions.

What does "raw piano" even really mean? No processing? That doesn't even exist in the real world with a real piano, because it's always about it in its environment. And then we mic it. Factors of air pressure, humidity and temperature are not static. And equally according to the players perception, which can change from one moment to the next in an open minded player.
Nothing wrong with comparisons here, although maybe more appropriate if comparing from within the plugin instead of attacking it from outside of it.
Don't like Pianoteq? Fine. Go discuss the ones you do in their threads.

Modartt is a company I want to continue to support because they're getting better and better. All the other piano plugins/sample libraries I own have fallen to the wayside because they want to be static and force their customers to be just as fixed according to that.

[pekbro]

Geez looking at keyboards again, weirdly its quite a bit cheaper to get a used acoustic piano. There are even a number of free ones,
tho they are on different islands. So $700-ish
for the donner, 50 to $300 for a baldwin player in great shape, lol. I guess folks just
want them hauled out more than anything. of course, they wont work with pianotec...

[martinjuenke]

This sounds supreme, doesn't it?
viewtopic.php?t=613425

[jamcat]

"Raw piano" is the most laughable and pointless thing I've heard today (so far).
Maybe all you need is the Spectrasonics Burning Piano.
What makes an instrument an instrument has more factors than the narrow aspects some try to place it in.
No other plugin has been as expressive and accurate across the range of more aspects as Pianoteq has been for me. Could it be improved? Sure. And every major version upgrade has been for me.

Looks like I missed this comment. Was that in response to me?

What I meant is that Pianoteq generates the raw, living sound of a piano from pure physics, just as nature does. That piano model can be altered and it will respond to those physical changes the same as a physical piano would. That piano can be placed within near infinite physically modeled spaces with near infinite physically modeled mic placement combinations. So Pianoteq is not merely one finite set of notes on one piano in one room with one set of mics. Pianoteq is effectively every possible note on an infinite number of pianos in an infinite number of spaces with an infinite variation of miking. And the reason is because it starts with a raw, unadorned physical model as its foundation, which lets you decide where you take it from there.

Pianoteq is the only piano VST that could be a Bösendorfer in a dive bar, or an out-of-tune honkeytonk in a grand hall, or even a burning piano. Because it generates live sound from raw physics, you are not limited to someone else's notes on someone else's piano, in someone else's room. I thought that was understood from my post, but perhaps not by all.

[nirm123]

I also didn't under the ""Raw piano" is the most laughable and pointless thing I've heard today (so far)." statement. It's just that I don't agree that it sounds or behaves like a raw piano, but I do agree that the terminology makes sense when judging the sound of a modelled piano.

[rod_zero]

Pianoteq is a raw instrument, like a real piano. It's not a polished and produced recording like you get with a sample library.

When you use Pianoteq, you need to do your own production. It's up to you to make it sound pretty. Just like a real engineer would do when recording a real piano.

”Pianoteq is a raw instrument, like a real piano.”

No - real piano is a breathing, organic instrument. Digital Pianoteq, on the contrary, is sterile, frozen approximation of the real piano.

ok boomer

LOL