Instruments with or without built-in effects?

[_leras]

How many synths come with a M/S EQ?

Who gives a f**k? M/S processing is mostly for mixes and mastering, you should only really be using it on instrument channels where it was recorded that way.

I imagine that's because you lack the skill and/or talent to get the sound you want out of your instruments. You're carrying on as though all this useless shit is actually going to allow you to make good music.

I'm afraid that it is not. The Beatles, for example, only had a stereo tape machine to record their first two albums

You follow the purist approach which is fine by itself but that's not how I do things. I want my own sound.

Which, I'm thinking, will sound just like everybody else. Do you have any examples you can point us to? Maybe you'll surprise us all.

I think you've made some good points about getting sound right at source, having fewer tracks and a number of other points.

M/s can be used for sound design. You don't have to if you don't want to.

What's the point in trying to imply someone's skill level is not good. For sure give advice if you want to help, but keep it constructive at least. There's always someone better than you out there, and there are always people that are not.

Who cares what the Beatles used or some 80s band. Techno and electronic music can be made with no singing and no musical. Teenagers on laptops make incredibly music.

There are tons of examples of people's music on KVR, a lot of which is great. One synths challenge plus people sharing. You should have an idea of the general standard here. So perhaps use that as the level to peg people at.

Your way is not the only way. Others may have better ways. Some people might do things completely backwards and still make good music or just have fun making music. Who cares. Chill out.

[IvyBirds]

It never occurs to you that the reason I can spend so little time on patching synths is because I am much, much better at it than you, does it?

If you were competent at sound design you wouldn't be arguing that you shouldn't use EQ which are just filters as a sound design tool. If you understood sound design and synthesis in general you would understand that many Synthesizers in software and hardware are subtractive. Since you obviously are clueless about what subtractive synthesis means let me explain it to

In subtractive Synthesis you start with rich harmonic content then use filters to subtract some of that harmonic content. That's why it's called "subtractive"

Synthesizers that are built around subtractive synthesis principles will come with a filter to make this possible. Some Synths have very basic filters, others have multiple filter types.

You would know this basic synthesis principle if you spent more than 1-2% of your time focused on sound design. Unlike you most synthesists don't think flying through sound design as quickly as possible to spend as little time doing it as possible doing it as something that would be good thing or that we should aspire to

Using EQ is just another way you can enhance your subtractive synthesis programming. Especially as the filters on many Synths are pretty blunt instruments.

If you were focused and experienced in sound design you would understand that filters on many subtractive synths are more than just frequency boosters and cutters they often introduce character and color to your sound. This character and color is often emphasized in certain frequencies ranges. Using EQ you can often maximize that character and color while keeping the actual frequency spectrum working for the patch and song

Many Synths however, don't use subtractive synthesis. Things like FM and Additive. You can use EQ along side them to add subtractive techniques to non subtractive synthesis engines

You don't even know what sound design is. All you are talking about is patching synths, a job most professionals don't waste their time doing for themselves. Sound design is a far broader discipline, the term has just been co-opted by jumped-up nobodies who want to feel important.

So what you are saying is you are not a professional and you are a nobody who wants to feel important

You hold yourself up as a sound design guru who is so awesome you don't need EQ can can design a patch in seconds. If that's true by your own standard you lack professionalism and are nobody who wants to feel important

I am a hobbyist, I don't care of random people on the internet like you think I am a nobody. I enjoy music and sound design, and play out several times a week

[funky lime]

more likely, you are simply too hidebound to accept that you might not be doing things the best way?

Coming from you, that's the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a long time. Cheers for that!

Not gonna get into the rest, maybe I'll put my thoughts in a YT video so you can add it to your hate-watch playlist

[vurt]

Sometimes, while walking I'll step on dog shit. I wipe it off my shoes asap and move on with my day.

you should watch where you are going.

[funky lime]

I stepped in human shit once on the way to catch the bus to work. It's weird how one can tell the difference, perhaps via the foot-feel

[WackyZoundz]

You hold yourself up as a sound design guru who is so awesome you don't need EQ can can design a patch in seconds. If that's true by your own standard you lack professionalism and are nobody who wants to feel important

Not just lack of professionalism but basic understanding of how sound design, audio engineering and human perception works (Auditory masking!). Dude has obviously never mixed or mastered or produced a track. It makes my brain hurt when somebody claims that four bell/shelf filters are enough to tackle ALL situations (Layering, cough cough). I guess layering also falls into the category of "forbidden" techniques...

[vurt]

I stepped in human shit once on the way to catch the bus to work. It's weird how one can tell the difference, perhaps via the foot-feel

"you know the area you are in is dodgy, when instead of dog turds with a human shoe print, you see human turds with a dogs paw print all over"

a. wiseman.

[IvyBirds]

You hold yourself up as a sound design guru who is so awesome you don't need EQ can can design a patch in seconds. If that's true by your own standard you lack professionalism and are nobody who wants to feel important

Not just lack of professionalism but basic understanding of how sound design, audio engineering and human perception works (Auditory masking!). Dude has obviously never mixed or mastered or produced a track. It makes my brain hurt when somebody claims that four bell/shelf filters are enough to tackle ALL situations (Layering, cough cough). I guess layering also falls into the category of "forbidden" techniques...

Layering who needs that?

[funky lime]

Dude has obviously never mixed or mastered or produced a track.

This isn't true or fair at all. BONES has been here from basically the beginning of the site and has released plenty of music. His link is in his signature unlike most of us, so at least he puts his money where his mouth is.

[vurt]

Dude has obviously never mixed or mastered or produced a track.

This isn't true or fair at all. BONES has been here from basically the beginning of the site and has released plenty of music. His link is in his signature unlike most of us, so at least he puts his money where his mouth is.

plus he has played all over the place, in australia and europe. not sure about the usa?
he has also been in many charts, including one which also featured taylor bloody swift!

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

[whyterabbyt]

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

yeah, but then so have Black Lace and Russ Abbott...

[vurt]

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

yeah, but then so have Black Lace and Russ Abbott...

i made no judgement on quality.

[funky lime]

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

released a bunch of free synths too... without built-in FX !!!

[vurt]

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

released a bunch of free synths too... without built-in FX !!!

yup. his little killers.

[WackyZoundz]

he may well be brash, but hes done stuff too.

It's not brash to call people idiot for wanting more than four EQ bands, that's douchebag level. This is how you get thrown out of the business. And "done stuff" says nothing. A musician is not necessary a good sound designer nor audio engineer. Most musicians don't know the difference between a 1st and 8th order highpass filter nor do they know what M/S or multi-band processing is (just like Bones). He could be Taylor Swift, The Beatles and Michael Jackson in one person and this still would not convince me to throw away additional processing. Because it's my sound, not his.