VPS Avenger 2.4 [RELEASED - FAQ in OP]

[ChanceB]

Don't upgrade to Sequoia (MacOS version) if you don't want to have issue with Avenger 2. They detected an issue and are working on it.

I updated to Sequoia and also just re purchased Avenger and did notice it causing a slight issue with Bitwig maybe. Had some unresponsiveness with the play and pause functionality and also noticed my memory pressure creeping up into yellow on a fairly small project which may have been from Avenger,otherwise it seems fine

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

Unfortunately it’s worse than I thought initially. I don’t know if it’s a Sequoia /Avenger thing or Bitwig/Avenger thing but for me Avenger’s performance memory wise is bad and seems to get worse over time and is pretty much unusable at the moment unfortunately. I’m still testing but currently I have two instances ,one with a single 4 bar note triggering a drum sequence an another 2 bar single note arp. Just this is enough to push the memory pressure on my M1 air 8 gig into the yellow and start swapping memory and slowing everything down. Processor use on the other hand is fine mostly,some spikes when switching presets but otherwise it’s fine. I don’t have any problems with doing full songs with this computer using lots of plugins with 30 or so tracks usually. I hope this is fixed,I just repurchased Avenger and am enjoying it more than I did in my previous year of owning it.

[Jac459]

Don't upgrade to Sequoia (MacOS version) if you don't want to have issue with Avenger 2. They detected an issue and are working on it.

I updated to Sequoia and also just re purchased Avenger and did notice it causing a slight issue with Bitwig maybe. Had some unresponsiveness with the play and pause functionality and also noticed my memory pressure creeping up into yellow on a fairly small project which may have been from Avenger,otherwise it seems fine

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

Unfortunately it’s worse than I thought initially. I don’t know if it’s a Sequoia /Avenger thing or Bitwig/Avenger thing but for me Avenger’s performance memory wise is bad and seems to get worse over time and is pretty much unusable at the moment unfortunately. I’m still testing but currently I have two instances ,one with a single 4 bar note triggering a drum sequence an another 2 bar single note arp. Just this is enough to push the memory pressure on my M1 air 8 gig into the yellow and start swapping memory and slowing everything down. Processor use on the other hand is fine mostly,some spikes when switching presets but otherwise it’s fine. I don’t have any problems with doing full songs with this computer using lots of plugins with 30 or so tracks usually. I hope this is fixed,I just repurchased Avenger and am enjoying it more than I did in my previous year of owning it.

Have you tried to pay with the settings of how your plugin is loaded in Bitwig? Can change a lot memory usage.
I'll try it later and tell you if I have the same problem. I have 16gb and never noticed anything despite having 8-10 instances.

I am not under sequoia yet though...

[ChanceB]

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Have you tried to pay with the settings of how your plugin is loaded in Bitwig? Can change a lot memory usage.
I'll try it later and tell you if I have the same problem. I have 16gb and never noticed anything despite having 8-10 instances.

I am not under sequoia yet though...
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I have. I usually have it set in the middle “by vendor “. Switching to “together improved it slightly. The” host with Bitwig” setting is better still which is to be expected but still too much. Its possible that Avenger 2 just uses to much RAM for my computer though I don’t remember having this problem before but most of my use was of Avenger 1 in Fl Studio. I’m pretty amazed at what I can do with the m1 and only 8 gigs but it might be time to upgrade.

[Jac459]

Have you tried to pay with the settings of how your plugin is loaded in Bitwig? Can change a lot memory usage.
I'll try it later and tell you if I have the same problem. I have 16gb and never noticed anything despite having 8-10 instances.

I am not under sequoia yet though...

I have. I usually have it set in the middle “by vendor “. Switching to “together improved it slightly. The” host with Bitwig” setting is better still which is to be expected but still too much. Its possible that Avenger 2 just uses to much RAM for my computer though I don’t remember having this problem before but most of my use was of Avenger 1 in Fl Studio. I’m pretty amazed at what I can do with the m1 and only 8 gigs but it might be time to upgrade.

Hello again...

So I did check and...

You are definitely into something. I have 16gb. My memory usage is 9.3GB in the song without Avenger 2. When I load avenger 2 in the song. It becomes 12.8 (3.5gb additional!) for 6 instances.
The 6 instances are heavy but indeed the memory consumption seems to be quite high...

The memory consumption is NOT evolving though, so it doesn't seems to be a data leak....

Starting a project from scratch. I added a simple melody as only track.
8.38gb as memory usage with Bitwig only.
8.50gb with polysynth playing the melody (Bitwig synth).
8.79gb with spire.
9.18gb with Falcon 2 (first preset of the preset tour default bank pack)
Back to Bitwig only: 8.69gb.
11.13 with Avenger 2 (first bass preset of the factory sound bank).

Difficult to interpret these results as there are many many factors (it can be only smart memory reservation) but it seems indeed Avenger is very heavy on memory...

I will report the problem to the support (and so should you).

[ChanceB]

Have you tried to pay with the settings of how your plugin is loaded in Bitwig? Can change a lot memory usage.
I'll try it later and tell you if I have the same problem. I have 16gb and never noticed anything despite having 8-10 instances.

I am not under sequoia yet though...

I have. I usually have it set in the middle “by vendor “. Switching to “together improved it slightly. The” host with Bitwig” setting is better still which is to be expected but still too much. Its possible that Avenger 2 just uses to much RAM for my computer though I don’t remember having this problem before but most of my use was of Avenger 1 in Fl Studio. I’m pretty amazed at what I can do with the m1 and only 8 gigs but it might be time to upgrade.

Hello again...

So I did check and...

You are definitely into something. I have 16gb. My memory usage is 9.3GB in the song without Avenger 2. When I load avenger 2 in the song. It becomes 12.8 (3.5gb additional!) for 6 instances.
The 6 instances are heavy but indeed the memory consumption seems to be quite high...

The memory consumption is NOT evolving though, so it doesn't seems to be a data leak....

Starting a project from scratch. I added a simple melody as only track.
8.38gb as memory usage with Bitwig only.
8.50gb with polysynth playing the melody (Bitwig synth).
8.79gb with spire.
9.18gb with Falcon 2 (first preset of the preset tour default bank pack)
Back to Bitwig only: 8.69gb.
11.13 with Avenger 2 (first bass preset of the factory sound bank).

Difficult to interpret these results as there are many many factors (it can be only smart memory reservation) but it seems indeed Avenger is very heavy on memory...

I will report the problem to the support (and so should you).

Ok great thank you for testing. I expect memory usage to be higher than other synths considering all that’s going on with it,especially if I have 8 multi samplers or granular samplers loaded but I’m getting excessive memory use from the single saw init patch.

[ChanceB]

Have you tried to pay with the settings of how your plugin is loaded in Bitwig? Can change a lot memory usage.
I'll try it later and tell you if I have the same problem. I have 16gb and never noticed anything despite having 8-10 instances.

I am not under sequoia yet though...

I have. I usually have it set in the middle “by vendor “. Switching to “together improved it slightly. The” host with Bitwig” setting is better still which is to be expected but still too much. Its possible that Avenger 2 just uses to much RAM for my computer though I don’t remember having this problem before but most of my use was of Avenger 1 in Fl Studio. I’m pretty amazed at what I can do with the m1 and only 8 gigs but it might be time to upgrade.

Hello again...

So I did check and...

You are definitely into something. I have 16gb. My memory usage is 9.3GB in the song without Avenger 2. When I load avenger 2 in the song. It becomes 12.8 (3.5gb additional!) for 6 instances.
The 6 instances are heavy but indeed the memory consumption seems to be quite high...

The memory consumption is NOT evolving though, so it doesn't seems to be a data leak....

Starting a project from scratch. I added a simple melody as only track.
8.38gb as memory usage with Bitwig only.
8.50gb with polysynth playing the melody (Bitwig synth).
8.79gb with spire.
9.18gb with Falcon 2 (first preset of the preset tour default bank pack)
Back to Bitwig only: 8.69gb.
11.13 with Avenger 2 (first bass preset of the factory sound bank).

Difficult to interpret these results as there are many many factors (it can be only smart memory reservation) but it seems indeed Avenger is very heavy on memory...

I will report the problem to the support (and so should you).

Ok great thank you for testing. I expect memory usage to be higher than other synths considering all that’s going on with it,especially if I have 8 multi samplers or granular samplers loaded but I’m getting excessive memory use from the single saw init patch.

One thing I forgot to add. The “gets worse over time “ I mean a long time,I leave Bitwig open often overnight or for days sometimes. so this morning I open the computer and have one Avenger already open from last night , I change the preset and Bitwig becomes laggy,unresponsive check the activity monitor and memory pressure is in the yellow. The preset is simple too,it’s Arp Cine Bass Athmo from the factory library. I’m sitting here waiting for it to recover and it’s just stuck in the yellow at seven gigs. Something is seriously wrong with Avengers memory management.

[Jac459]

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Well, after months (years) discussing Avenger 1 and 2 "supposed" CPU issues, with visible spikes but no impact on my day to day work, even with dozens of Avenger instances.......

It all ended this week. I have a very normal song. Not a lot of complexity going on, no "one touch song presets", yes, here I am, the spikes DOES cut the sound now and it becomes difficult and unpleasant to work with the track. I isolated the synths, I do confirm that Avenger 2 is the issue.

It is really weird because Avenger 2.0.5 was working like a charm. Not even any spike...

I'll write to the support and report any response here...

[Hanz Meyzer]

he “gets worse over time “ I mean a long time,I leave Bitwig open often overnight or for days sometimes. so this morning I open the computer and have one Avenger already open from last night , I change the preset and Bitwig becomes laggy,unresponsive check the activity monitor and memory pressure is in the yellow.

This then obviously are memory leaks which should be fixed.

[ChanceB]

he “gets worse over time “ I mean a long time,I leave Bitwig open often overnight or for days sometimes. so this morning I open the computer and have one Avenger already open from last night , I change the preset and Bitwig becomes laggy,unresponsive check the activity monitor and memory pressure is in the yellow.

This then obviously are memory leaks which should be fixed.

Yes it should. I emailed them about it and was told that the upcoming 2.3.0 update would have improvements to memory usage.

[boriskarloff]

...

Well, after months (years) discussing Avenger 1 and 2 "supposed" CPU issues, with visible spikes but no impact on my day to day work, even with dozens of Avenger instances.......

It all ended this week. I have a very normal song. Not a lot of complexity going on, no "one touch song presets", yes, here I am, the spikes DOES cut the sound now and it becomes difficult and unpleasant to work with the track. I isolated the synths, I do confirm that Avenger 2 is the issue.

It is really weird because Avenger 2.0.5 was working like a charm. Not even any spike...

I'll write to the support and report any response here...

I have to confirm this behavior as well. Last years my DAW (Ableton/Reaper) was my Win10 and with 1st version of Avenger I had no issues with CPU spikes. This year I bough M1 Ultra/64GB and even on this powerful machine there are some occasional spikes but only when there are 4+ instances of Avenger 2 (Ableton, buffer 64 samples). I'm afraid that low buffer settings might be a problem also. Or combination of these factors: low buffer + many instances.

[trevdog]

Hi, We're dropping our first ever preset packs and I am doing a giveaway of both packs.
These packs are focused solely on Avenger sequences, and the contain 128 sequences per pack.
i.e. 256 in total.
So grab your free copy, I'm giving away 100 of each.
Links below:
link 1:
https://www.venomous-sound.com
link 2:
https://venomoussound.gumroad.com/l/wcoti

You will need to sign up for a Gumroad account, if you haven't already.
Then after claiming your free copy, you will find your download links in your Gumroad account.

TEAM VNMS

[Jon Audio]

Hi, We're dropping our first ever preset packs and I am doing a giveaway of both packs.
These packs are focused solely on Avenger sequences, and the contain 128 sequences per pack.
i.e. 256 in total.
So grab your free copy, I'm giving away 100 of each.
Links below:
link 1:
https://www.venomous-sound.com
link 2:
https://venomoussound.gumroad.com/l/wcoti

You will need to sign up for a Gumroad account, if you haven't already.
Then after claiming your free copy, you will find your download links in your Gumroad account.

TEAM VNMS

Just picked up Vol 1, thank you!!

Looking forward to checking it out!

[trevdog]

Thanks Jon! Was watching "why your music isn't impacting your friends and family..." last night
Don't forget to pick up the other pack. You only got one Love your content bro, keep going!
TEAM VNMS

[Jon Audio]

Thanks Jon! Was watching "why your music isn't impacting your friends and family..." last night
Don't forget to pick up the other pack. You only got one Love your content bro, keep going!
TEAM VNMS

that's awesome!! thanks man!!

I'll pick the other one up too. really appreciate you putting so many presets out for free like that, thats really awesome!!

[ChanceB]

Hi, We're dropping our first ever preset packs and I am doing a giveaway of both packs.
These packs are focused solely on Avenger sequences, and the contain 128 sequences per pack.
i.e. 256 in total.
So grab your free copy, I'm giving away 100 of each.
Links below:
link 1:
https://www.venomous-sound.com
link 2:
https://venomoussound.gumroad.com/l/wcoti

You will need to sign up for a Gumroad account, if you haven't already.
Then after claiming your free copy, you will find your download links in your Gumroad account.

TEAM VNMS

Thank you.

Lots of Osc shapes and samples are missing from various presets